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    Default Finally....a "D" Plane pic.....by Manzella

    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    That'a gonna be a hard up and down from back there.

    Great visual explanation.
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    how is this different from the concept of clubface orientation and path? what is the third point in the plane and how does it make a difference? Is that slanted orange line supposed to be parallel to the end of the ball curvature?

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    How do real golfers use this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefuture37 View Post
    how is this different from the concept of clubface orientation and path? what is the third point in the plane and how does it make a difference? Is that slanted orange line supposed to be parallel to the end of the ball curvature?
    Well....

    The old PGA "Ball Flight Laws says that the ball would start on the PATh and curve to the face.

    Wrong.

    The ball starts between 70 and 90% toward the WHOLE FACE (including loft) and curves AWAY from the path.

    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by self-mastery View Post
    How do real golfers use this?
    For starters, everyone can stop trying to swing WAY inside-out.
    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    Brian, can you do us a big favor and show how the ball would go based on the old PGA "Ball Flight Laws? I think that would help some. Thanks

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    Just to get the straight in my simple mind...


    Mr Sneads path would be "y" Yards right

    Mr Sneads clubface would be aimed about "x" yards right at impact/separation

    Ball would start about 70-80% toward "x" yards right and curve left "z" amount to finish left of target.

    Is there anyway of working out how much to the left it would go?

    Are all computer launch monitors configured with "old" ball flight laws?
    Golf is more about the journey than the destination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Manzella View Post
    Well....

    The old PGA "Ball Flight Laws says that the ball would start on the PATh and curve to the face.

    Wrong.

    The ball starts between 70 and 90% toward the WHOLE FACE (including loft) and curves AWAY from the path.

    Here is a true Hogan story . Hitting balls perfectly he all of a sudden hit 2 pull draws in a row and promptly went back to the clubhouse and locked himself away for a few hours not to be disturbed. Upon returning from the deep session of contemplation he was asked what was the answer . All he said was the face was closed.
    See its no big deal is it and Hogan didn't need all the fancy gadgets to figure out the problem

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    The Gary Wire inspired, old PGA Ball Flight "Laws" result:

    The be fair, the PGA did NOT use the path or clubface in 3-d, like the D plane.

    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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