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    I made a short list of irrefutable things that science can easily explain, but are not universally taught or accepted in golf.

    • If you make a decent swing, your COP will shift to the right at some point in the early backswing.

    • Most top players don't do anything like hold a wrist position to and through impact.

    • Whatever amount of pressure is applied to the backside of the shaft just before, at, and through impact, it is dwarfed by force up the shaft or 90° to the hand path.

    • The baselines of the planes of motion of the shoulders are nowhere near the baseline of the ball. Ditto for the hands. Hips. Knees.

    • Nobody had any idea how much off plane force (beta) was being applied in the mid-downswing. Or the direction of the force along the hand path.

    • There is no "non-moving center" anywhere in the golf swing.


    They are nowhere near a list of all the things we have learned from the scientists, and it is closer maybe to a list of the least interesting things we learned.


    We have hours and hours of videos and pages and pages of notes from the countless visits, skypes, and other communication with a couple of dozen scientists.


    We have very high level discussions and I sincerely apologize if my attempts at synthesis and common sense application explanations have led anyone to believe otherwise.


    And none of the above were directed at the "drive hold" group.


    The list was presented—in context—in an attempt to make a point that wasn't very well made. My bad.
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    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    Very sorry that you think I am not telling the whole truth, but I promise I was talking about folks that teach having a wrist position and keep it through the ball.

    You guys like some right wrist add at the 15ms mark, no?
    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    There is no "non-moving center" anywhere in the golf swing ????

    Could you explain how there is not moving center?

    By center I assume you mean the center where the sternum is.

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    I do not think JB Holmes is handle-dragging in any way.

    And Jerry, it was supposed to be possible to have a center of the swing or a portion of the swing in the sternum area, that didn't move.

    That turned out to be false, but I sure that some folks got better trying to do it.
    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Manzella View Post
    I made a short list of irrefutable things that science can easily explain, but are not universally taught or accepted in golf.


    • If you make a decent swing, your COP will shift to the right at some point in the early backswing.




    What is COP? Any help appreciated.

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    Centre of pressure....not to be confused with centre of mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Manzella View Post
    I do not think JB Holmes is handle-dragging in any way.

    And Jerry, it was supposed to be possible to have a center of the swing or a portion of the swing in the sternum area, that didn't move.

    That turned out to be false, but I sure that some folks got better trying to do it.
    I have discussed this point many times with my fellow golfers so I am going to print this up and show them. They believe center shouldn't move.
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    It sounds like a good idea, but it is impossible Jerry.

    It has been unnamimously shot down by all the PHDs.
    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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