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    I'm literally crying in pain watching him chip. Even using a 4 iron to avoid a mis-hit.

    Not sure if he should keep honing his "new pattern" or go back to the old way of chipping.

    I think it's bs you need to use the same swing for full swing and short game.

    I'm not in the camp that believes it's a mental issue/yips although it's heading that way if this continues.

    As a tiger fan I really hope he can fix this.
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    Foley made the BIG change....he thought the short game backswing + through swing, should match the full swing pattern they had at the time.

    But, folks in the know, know that Sean made a BIG SWITCH in what he was trying to do with Tiger after a pretty decent amount of time putting in a Stack & Tilt-like move. It was DRASTICALLY different.


    Now, here come Chris, with some fairly obvious stuff to do in the full swing, more erect posture, longer swing, more shift, more throw....and this mishmash of a short game pattern...


    It IS fixable.


    The basic problem is there needs to be SOME energy in the club going back—or you have to "float" some in coming down. Meanwhile, plenty energy in the clubhead going back on the full swing.


    Having had the pitching yips myself, I know they can be fixed. And one way or the other, they will be.
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    Tiger looks like me in the few months after having my short game lesson with Kevin. It took me every bit of a year to feel comfortable but then again I have a full time job and a family so my practice time is a little more limited than Tiger's is.

    He will be fine.
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    Its hard to watch that's for sure.......

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    I had the pitching yips and they haunt me to this day. The only thing that helps (other than hit a million balls) is to make sure I have a bit of body turn in the pitching motion, especially in the forward motion. If I forget that and get too much hands/arms I start hitting it fat, then thin, then fat....then I'm a mess. I can remember a time when I putted absolutely everything I could within 5-10 yards of the green. My friends would laugh until I threw wedges at them.

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    Paul Runyan makes an interesting point in this video about how "unorthodox" his chipping was, and Ben Hogan's commentary. I found it entertaining given this weekend's performance by Tiger:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEcuqPF1DM8

    If you watch Runyan pitch the ball in his other instructional videos, he definitely seems to float load the club on the way through.

    =Has modern teaching for pitching and chipping techniques gotten too stiff and taken the feel out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tongzilla View Post

    Not sure if he should keep honing his "new pattern" or go back to the old way of chipping.

    I think it's bs you need to use the same swing for full swing and short game.


    I'm not in the camp that believes it's a mental issue/yips although it's heading that way if this continues.

    As a tiger fan I really hope he can fix this.
    You are not alone! I think this oversimplified nonsense has put his driving and his short game on the wrong path...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony D'Antonio View Post
    I had the pitching yips and they haunt me to this day. The only thing that helps (other than hit a million balls) is to make sure I have a bit of body turn in the pitching motion, especially in the forward motion. If I forget that and get too much hands/arms I start hitting it fat, then thin, then fat....then I'm a mess. I can remember a time when I putted absolutely everything I could within 5-10 yards of the green. My friends would laugh until I threw wedges at them.
    I remember I had the pitching yips (how can you forget something so painful!).

    EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, told me the solution was to keep turning through impact. Went to everyone imaginable looking for an answer. Everyone told me the same thing. AND IT DIDN'T WORK. That's when I had it confirmed to me for life that professionals, regardless of their field (be they doctors, teachers, lawyers or scientists), are mostly talking boolcrap. They are brainwashed robots. There ain't no correct answers other than the ones that actually solve the problems! Maybe this is where Tiger needs to change his approach and to be fair to him his use of the word "consultant" re CC is probably a good sign.
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    He is the teacher.

    "Consultant" was to take the "pressure" off.

    It didn't work.
    "All you have is the HUB PATH and the force and torque you apply to the club—that's the whole swing."

    Brian Manzella is Golf Digest's 37th ranked teacher in the USA and is a three time Golf Magazine Top 100 Instructor.

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    Brian, Long time no see. I can see things are going well for you.
    Can you go into detail on why Tiger is duffing chips and his previous patterns of chipping and why the changes are causing him issues? Also when Tiger was at his best how did you rate his technique? Did he have A1 technique which he was really good at or slightly suspect chipping technique that he was brilliant at making work? It seems most tour pros go for very quiet legs with the chipping stroke dominated by the upper body but Tiger had quite a lot of leg movement towards the target in the down stroke that got the hands ahead at impact?

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