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Dariusz J.

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There are sadder times that I thought coming -- if people are in awe of a LD player's swing in the context of playing golf. LD guys have 6 attempts of placing the ball in a very wide "fairway" and often it is not enough. On a brutal course a'la Oakmont in 1953 such Sadlowskis wouldn't have broken 100. Now, they are playing with some success on mini tours. Geez.
Real golf is (should friggin be) a discipline of accuracy and consistency, not a circus. Who cares which soccer player can ensure the highest speed of the ball ? What matters is if he can score goals.

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Stop trying to reinvent the game Dariusz. Real golf is, was, and should be, the discipline of getting the ball in the hole, by whatever means possible.
 

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I, for one, (and who cares what I think, really) am just not impressed with LD. If they got every one in the grid, now that would be something.
 

Dariusz J.

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Stop trying to reinvent the game Dariusz. Real golf is, was, and should be, the discipline of getting the ball in the hole, by whatever means possible.

And what did I say in my soccer example ? What matters is to score a goal. Going further withg my analogy the problem is that originally, the goal was 7.32 x 2.44 meters; today it is set like 4 times bigger, instead being left original or better set smaller because people are becoming more intelligent and more athletic with a flow of time. Capisci ?
Noone is reinventing the game. I am wholeheartedly after reverting to its original status where accuracy and consistency pays off.

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I got nothing against accuracy and consistency - I just don't think they should be the only criteria.

LD is what it is. A bit of a circus. But if one of its high-end exponents wants to put his reputation on the line playing proper golf on a 2nd tier tour, I think that's great.

Bobby Jones competed in, and won, long-drive contests in his day. Although he probably didn't have to cope with the music...
 

Dariusz J.

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I got nothing against accuracy and consistency - I just don't think they should be the only criteria.

LD is what it is. A bit of a circus. But if one of its high-end exponents wants to put his reputation on the line playing proper golf on a 2nd tier tour, I think that's great.

Bobby Jones competed in, and won, long-drive contests in his day. Although he probably didn't have to cope with the music...

Jones competed and won because there were no special LD category and specialists in such category as nowadays.

And I also do not think they should be the only criteria, but they should be definitely crucial ones -- and not these totally unimportant ones as today (from the tee). I don't want exaggeration that a very short and unathletic people wins; I never ever cried that Moe Norman did not win a major.
But what happens today is just crazy -- not only in golf, BTW. They kill the art of sports.

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Fair enough. You might also say that Jones competed and won because he was the amongst the longest drivers in tournament golf. Like Snead, '40s Hogan, Nicklaus, Watson, Ballesteros, Norman and other dominant golfers in the good old days.

Out of curiosity, if Jamie S fails to make a splash on the Nationwide Tour and never puts a dent in the PGA Tour - would you concede that maybe there's more to modern golf than raw power, and that maybe some of the current crop aren't just long-driving hackers?
 

Dariusz J.

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Fair enough. You might also say that Jones competed and won because he was the amongst the longest drivers in tournament golf. Like Snead, '40s Hogan, Nicklaus, Watson, Ballesteros, Norman and other dominant golfers in the good old days.

Out of curiosity, if Jamie S fails to make a splash on the Nationwide Tour and never puts a dent in the PGA Tour - would you concede that maybe there's more to modern golf than raw power, and that maybe some of the current crop aren't just long-driving hackers?

Probably yes, but not in the sense you're expecting me to admit -- rather because it will prove that his recovery shots, short game and putting was bad enough. Certainly not because he's hitting rough or other fairways (which is identical to his more prominent tour players BTW). The fact that a LD guy plays NT is enough silly thing for me anyhow.

Imagine 3 players: Moe, Nicklaus and Sadlowski. When golf is real golf they would have finished: 1. Nicklaus; 2. Moe; 3.Sadlowski. I am not such a purist that would demand conditions that made the ranks like this: 1. Moe; 2. Nicklaus; 3. Sadlowski for the reason explained above.
However, giving agreement to these ranks: 1. Nicklaus; 2. Sadlowski; 3. Moe is not only against old spirit of the game but also the first attempt to have them in the future like that: 1. Sadlowski; 2. Nicklaus; 3. Moe. People governing sports should act now because it will be too late soon.

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Dari: how short is too short in your book? 190? 240? 280? Anyone hitting it 190 is going to be more accurate than someone hitting it 310.
 

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I can see where Dariusz comes from on this topic. LD guys are not generally golfers and I am not impressed by one in five balls in the grid. There are some long driving contests that use accuracy in the equation but I have no idea how they work. Golf has to some extent become a bombers game but the world number one is more of a control player.
I do also think that elite athletes will be elite athletes pretty much regardless of the tools they are allowed to use on the field of play. If the best toys made the best players some of the guys at my home course should be on tour. Unfortunately they cannot play their way out of a wet paper bag.
 
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