Homer.Kelley
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What would be the best way in training a Swinger, when we start with our Basic Stroke. As we all know, we are mainly focus on Accumulator #1.
12-5-1 Q1
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Steve Khatib
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Active right elbow v acc #1 are different.
We know that PP #1 is used to transfer right shoulder thrust to the inert left arm via the passive bent right arm in the basic 3-barrel Swinging. Accum #1 is NOT used.
But there's more to it than just driving the right shoulder downplane. The basic Swing also requires that the left shoulder pull on the inert left arm. The problem is that the shoulders are somewhat independent, because there isn't a rod joining the tops of the arms. The answer is "core" rotation. You have to crank the entire flywheel, not just half of it.
But there's more to it than just driving the right shoulder downplane. The basic Swing also requires that the left shoulder pull on the inert left arm. The problem is that the shoulders are somewhat independent, because there isn't a rod joining the tops of the arms. The answer is "core" rotation. You have to crank the entire flywheel, not just half of it.
No - that's my point - the right shoulder pushes on PP #1 because the right arm is an inert connection between the right shoulder and and PP #1. How could the right shoulder NOT push on PP #1 when driving downplane? This was Brian's point in the Left Arm Swing thread. The inert left arm is moved by BOTH the right shoulder and the left shoulder. The left shoulder uses PP #4.
Homer.Kelley
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The PLA is driven by # acc ? (x) (x)
Could we all refer to the 12-5-1 and see we can find an appropiate answer?
Could we all refer to the 12-5-1 and see we can find an appropiate answer?
tongzilla
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The Right Shoulder driving downplane does not contribute to an active Pressure Point #1 Thrust. To the extent Extensor Action is present, there will be a passive Pressure Point #1 feel per 10-11-0-1, which has nothing to do with the Shouler Turn Thrust per 2-M-3 and 2-M-4.
If you're not convinced, try searching in the book. You will not find any reference about the Right Shoulder 'pushing on PP#1'. Instead, you will find references on the Right Arm driving Pressure Point #1, and the Shoulder Turn Thrust driving Pressure Point #4.
You didn't answer the question - How could the right shoulder drive downplane and NOT push on PP #1 with the passive, bent right arm? Whether the right shoulder is driving or driven, it's connected to PP #1 by the right arm. If the left shoulder is going up and back at the same rate as the right shoulder is going down and out, the left arm is being pulled by the left shoulder AND pushed by the right shoulder.
tongzilla
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The right shoulder can drive downplane and NOT push on PP#1. However, the right arm cannot drive without using PP#1. It is a very simple movement I really don't understand what the fuss is about. It's easy if I could show you live, but a thousand words will never be as good.
What you call the 'push of the right shoulder' takes up the slack during start down and is felt at PP#4, not PP#1. Like I said, I could show you if you were here with me. Sorry, I don't think I can explain any more. Maybe I can...but it will take too long.
The taking up slack happens BEFORE the right shoulder drives. During this phase, the right shoulder moves downward, but isn't driving yet. When the drive happens, the left shoulder pulls and the right shoulder pushes on PP #1. Note that I said the right shoulder pushes, not the right arm(tricep).
Like this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/72052/message/1130107499/Hogan
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