2-D-0

[Ringer]

I put this in "The Golfing Machine" forum, but felt it would be a good set of questions to pose here.

The very basic question I have is "How can the basic physics of centrifugal force be diverted through a "hook-face alignment"?"

I will quote the specific part which is troubling..

"..Which requires that the ball leave it's circular path at right angles to the radius of that path at the point which it leaves the path. But the hook-face alignment of the Clubhead--designed to give it proper relation to the Plane Line--diverts the ball from it's true tangential path..."

Secondary to this question is the subsiquent question of..
"Can I change this hook-face alignment either through position of the club through impact or by having non-offset clubs? Or is any of that even related to the hook-face alignment Homer was speaking of?"

It seems little is said in the book about the hook-face other than here with no explanation of what it is.

Thank you for any input.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer


1. The very basic question I have is "How can the basic physics of centrifugal force be diverted through a "hook-face alignment"?"

I will quote the specific part which is troubling..

"..Which requires that the ball leave it's circular path at right angles to the radius of that path at the point which it leaves the path. But the hook-face alignment of the Clubhead--designed to give it proper relation to the Plane Line--diverts the ball from it's true tangential path..."

2. Secondary to this question is the subsiquent question of..
"Can I change this hook-face alignment either through position of the club through impact or by having non-offset clubs? Or is any of that even related to the hook-face alignment Homer was speaking of?"

[Numerals by Holenone/Yoda.]

1. If the Clubface were not Hooked, the Ball would leave the Clubhead orbit on the Angle of Approach (toward 'right field') and not toward the Target.

2. Hitters and Manipulated Hands Swingers can manipulate the Clubface as desired -- Open, Closed, Laid Back or Hooded. This manipulation should occur at Impact Fix and with the Left Wrist always in its Flat, Level and Vertical Impact alignment.

 

[Ringer]

But WHAT IS IT?? I've never even heard of the term until it was brought up in the book... and I'm a clubfitter! Is this in reference to the tendency to angle the shaft further and further nowa days? Or is it the offset they're building into them? Is is saying there's some sort of concaved shape to the clubface?? I just don't know what he's referring to.

 

[njmp2]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

But WHAT IS IT?? I've never even heard of the term until it was brought up in the book... and I'm a clubfitter! Is this in reference to the tendency to angle the shaft further and further nowa days? Or is it the offset they're building into them? Is is saying there's some sort of concaved shape to the clubface?? I just don't know what he's referring to.

What term? Hook-face? It is a closed clubface at address and closes at impact as the arms thrust down the line before swivel.

Am I missing the term?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

i think he is referring to offset in clubs.....since offset allows for more time to square the club it is built in "hook design." That is what i thought....more "hook face" or more "offset" gives players more time to square the face

 

[njmp2]

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

i think he is referring to offset in clubs.....since offset allows for more time to square the club it is built in "hook design." That is what i thought....more "hook face" or more "offset" gives players more time to square the face

Oh, ringer mentioned a term here never heard of before. He mentioned off set- so I was confused.
All clubheads are at least slightly hooked to keep the hands forward. It's a hands thing again.

Off set, I'm sure Ringer knows, is not a hooked face by one set off the shaft a bit. A game improvement function in some designs.
I read once that Tom Wishon had to design clubheads for pros (like Payne Stewart) who hated the off set look but needed the off set in the head. Sorry I drifted.

 

[Ringer]

I can buy this "hook-face" alignment with woods and certainly not with all of them.. but with irons I'm not so sure about any of them. The hook-face seems to be one more of the clubface to the left hand than of the club itself.

And BTW, I HATE offset clubs. They distort my impact visualization way too much.

 

[holenone]

Hooked-Face and Offset are two completely different things.

 

[Ringer]

Maybe so holenone.. but after reading Mike-O's reply in the TGM forum, I think offset would effect the alignment. Offsets place the CG closer to the clubface.