2011 Trackman stats for the PGA Tour.....

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gmbtempe

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Sounds perfect for some spreadsheet work.

Is it me or do the spin rates seem high compared to "optimum"?
 
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finncox

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Anyone else notice how ridiculously low David Toms' average, and lowest recorded spin rates are!?!?!?

That's pretty crazy.
 
mjstrong

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Total Driving Efficiency doesn't seem to matter too much (as it's often been stated). Johnny Vegas is ranked 143rd, Bubba Watson 43rd, 111th for D.A. Points, 125th for Baddely, and 16th for Mark Wilson. Those are the top 5 guys in the FedEx Cup points race...
 
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birly-shirly

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PGA Tour Smash Factor could be the most boring stat in all of sports.

If modern pros' ball striking was really as decadent as some old skoolers like to argue I think we'd see much more variation here, even in spite of toaster sized clubheads and garden shed-like moments of inertia.
 
mgranato

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Click on "year" and scroll down for the years they've been recording. Also take a look at the putting stats - they've got that broken down into amazing detail.
 
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mgranato said:
Click on "year" and scroll down for the years they've been recording. Also take a look at the putting stats - they've got that broken down into amazing detail.
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Not to be churlish - but did the "putts gained against the field" stat ever take hold? A big splash was made of that last year but I couldn't see it in the welter of data that is on the pga site.
 
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Spin rates were suprising. I thought the big hitters were in the 2,550 to 3,000 range. They we all over 3k.

The other was launch angle. When you talk to a fitter they tell it needs to be "X" when the tour boys are literally all over the board. DJ around 10.4 Bubba 8.64 Daly 12.3 Light hitting Nick O'hearn 12.7 DL III 12.5.

What does this tell us about how fitting benefits the tour boys vs mortals?
 
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rmartingolf said:
Spin rates were suprising. I thought the big hitters were in the 2,550 to 3,000 range. They we all over 3k.

The other was launch angle. When you talk to a fitter they tell it needs to be "X" when the tour boys are literally all over the board. DJ around 10.4 Bubba 8.64 Daly 12.3 Light hitting Nick O'hearn 12.7 DL III 12.5.

What does this tell us about how fitting benefits the tour boys vs mortals?
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The pros are justifiably apprehensive about fiddling with their drivers because their livelihoods depend on the consistency and predictability of their ball flights. Many of them are not optimized (according to Joe Clubfitter), but they all obviously hit it solidly enough to be on tour.

Reliability and comfort trump whatever gains there are to be had by chasing an extra five or ten yards. There are plenty of horror stories floating around about pros who went astray in the search for the long ball.
 
Richie3Jack

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birly-shirly said:
Not to be churlish - but did the "putts gained against the field" stat ever take hold? A big splash was made of that last year but I couldn't see it in the welter of data that is on the pga site.
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I currently fishing around for that. I just got the e-mails of the main researchers of the project and I just e-mailed one of them today. If I get anything, I'll post it here.





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Richie3Jack

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rmartingolf said:
Spin rates were suprising. I thought the big hitters were in the 2,550 to 3,000 range. They we all over 3k.

The other was launch angle. When you talk to a fitter they tell it needs to be "X" when the tour boys are literally all over the board. DJ around 10.4 Bubba 8.64 Daly 12.3 Light hitting Nick O'hearn 12.7 DL III 12.5.

What does this tell us about how fitting benefits the tour boys vs mortals?
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The big hitters generate a lot more clubhead speed that we do. So they would be fitted for a lower launch and higher spin.

And Kenny Perry's driver stats show him as usually one of the top guys that gets the most out of his clubhead speed.




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rmartingolf said:
Spin rates were suprising. I thought the big hitters were in the 2,550 to 3,000 range. They we all over 3k.

The other was launch angle. When you talk to a fitter they tell it needs to be "X" when the tour boys are literally all over the board. DJ around 10.4 Bubba 8.64 Daly 12.3 Light hitting Nick O'hearn 12.7 DL III 12.5.

What does this tell us about how fitting benefits the tour boys vs mortals?
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there is an optimum launch angle and spin rate for a given ball speed, so the "x" will change player to player. not to mention that data taken on the course doesn't factor in what type of shot the player was trying to hit due to wind, hole shape, etc.
 
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