3 G.O.L.F Guys school results

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The school was worth every penny. The sound of a compressed golf ball coming off my clubface is burned into my brain – It felt so “powerful” yet so effortless – the holy grail in the game of golf.

I know I have allot work ahead but knowing the work I am doing is going to produce desired long term results is priceless. I have spent years working on all the wrong things getting absolutely nothing in return other than fleeting short term results and frustration.

The guy in the video getting a lesson from Ben has got nothing on me. Ben drilled me like a Marine drill instructor. It was painful and close to tearful. At the end of the day though it hit home (my coconut isn’t what it used to be) and I finally “got it” even though I could not demonstrate it to him.

Many thanks to Ben, Brian, Lynn, Ted, and Mike; it was truly a life learning unforgettable experience. Many new friendships were formed.

Here’s a summary of my learning experience.

My major flaws
Not clearing the right hip – could not come into the inside corner of the ball because of it
Correction was to slide the hips prior to start down and the correct way to “twist” away 10-14-B and 10-15-B
Maintain the bent right wrist through impact insuring hands stay in front of the clubhead
Flail the club through the ball
Use the dowels to practice the “baton” flail (grip with a fist not golf grip)
Swingers pull the end of the club shaft at the inside corner of the ball
Endless pulley creates the power and speed
Put the right forearm on plane and take it to the top with right forarm
Feel the feet into the ground – load the right side – straighten the right leg - push off with the right foot
Straighten the right leg – sit – straighten the left leg while maintaining the center of gravity and stay behind the ball

Slight grip change – keep pressure points 2 and 3 behind the shaft – I was on top of the shaft
Right forearm need to stay lower than left at address
Club face was somewhat open at adjusted address resulting in pushes to the right - square it

Setup
Eyes looking down at the ball – should be able to sit a can of soda on the back of the neck
Driver – address it with the toe if you are going to sole it.
Aiming point – do it with pivot and not via the hands – direct the thrust to the aiming point. The endless belt pulley will start here.

Chip/pitch/punch/full
Should never be able to look “down” the shaft at and after impact – you should be looking across the shaft

Putting
Paw stroke – both elbows on plane
Distance illusions – uphill the put is actually longer than it looks since it travels up a longer side of the triangle
Downhill the opposite is true – shorter distance on the triangle
After aligning the putt pick a blade of grass 2 inches in front of the ball for alignment
Push chip – right forearm becomes a piston for real short shot to take everything off the ball

Drills
Dowels – tracing a light with the bent right wrist – cock and uncock flat left wrist with a straight left arm
Use the shadows to demonstrate alignment square and forward leaning shaft
Take out the cut edge of the green or sand (wall of china)
Pivot drills – Tee in the ground, paper coke cup, parallel dowels (flying angels)
Pieces of grass on PP3 to determine half roll, full roll, no roll
Soda bottle drill to get the sand out – bottle stays inside the hands not outside
Impact bag with the pivot – bag should not tip over – feel the pressure - hit it with your pivot

TGM things that became much clearer
Plane line
Angled Plane
Arc of Approach
Rotating the hosel around the sweet spot
Sit down and axel tilt
Impact Fix
Leg Action
Illusion of forward leaning club shaft
Release the accumulators not the club
Swivel
Flail
Hinging
Extensor action
Lag- stressing of the club shaft – must be maintained
Wobbly point – Tripod (head and 2 anchors)
Swinging and hitting – I am a swinger – it feels good to know instead of wondering
The book actually makes sense now :>) I can read it with authority and not wonderment

Ben Doyle – words of wisdom
Release the accumulators not the club
Move the club with your pivot not your hands or arms
Let the big dog run through your legs and then grab him by his tail with your legs
What is wrong looks right and what is right feels wrong
Left alone – centrifcal force will line up the club shaft and club face
Keep your left arm straight by trying to keep you right arm straight (extensor action)
Load, store, release – throw out with the hips
Chip, Pitch, Punch
You should never be able to stare down the shaft at or after impact – stare “across” the shaft
Straighten the right leg on back stroke – straighten the left leg on down stroke
Never let the clubhead pass the hands until after follow through
Sharp shoulder turn
Hand plane,, elbow plane, shoulder plane demo
Drag a wet mop – slow and heavy
Elbows always point to the ground
You should never be able to see your right palm during the swing
Club is aligned with the left arm not the right arm
Stay behind the ball
Many many more……………right?

Golf is fun again………………….

Ray
 
rbaumgolf,

Can you elaborate on the idea to "Straighten the right leg on back stroke". My instructor is trying to get me to maintain the flex in the right knee on the backswing. I naturally tend to straighten it.

Thanks
 
"Distance illusions – uphill the put is actually longer than it looks since it travels up a longer side of the triangle
Downhill the opposite is true – shorter distance on the triangle"

What's this? Triangle?
 
Birdieman,
When you are looking at the flag and then looking at the ground (line) for a somewhat long putt; the triangle of those 2 items offers an illusion if you think about distance by letting your mind think about distance via the flag only.

On the Right leg straightening - the leg should be flexible, mine was too flexible and bent on back and follow through - so the anser was to straigthen the flexed knee to load the right sie.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by tbarbertab

rbaumgolf,

Can you elaborate on the idea to "Straighten the right leg on back stroke". My instructor is trying to get me to maintain the flex in the right knee on the backswing. I naturally tend to straighten it.

Thanks

Read Brian Manzella's Perfect Pivot article #1

It's in the Instruction Article section
 
RBaumgolf:
Great meeting you at the G.O.L.F school. I agree it was money well spent. Friday and Saturday went from 0830 AM till 8:00 PM at the course and lasted till 11:00 at the restaurant, Sunday's class was still going at 6:00 PM when we had to leave to catch a plane.

I want to thank all the instructors, (Ben, Brian, Lynn, Ted and Mike). I had the impression the the instructors got as much satisfaction as the student when the studen was able to compress the ball properly. All the teachers were genuinely interested in helping the students improve, not impress us with their knowledge. Even though they have never taught as a group before the advice was consistant from instructor to instructor. Their patience was extraordinary as they corrected me time time after time yet managed to keep their enthusiasm and mine up.

RBaum I'm not sure you were the student having the most trouble with doing the sequence like Ben wanted. I spent over 2 hours in the bunker working with Ben and I'm not sure I got the action quite right. Ben was a taskmaster, from the way you addressed the ball, to the way you swing the club and follow through to the procedures for getting the next ball to hit there was only one way to do it and that was the right way. If it was not done correctly you started back at the beginning again and went through the entire process until done correctly. I was convinced that Ben thought I was a motor moron. However, on Sunday while practicing, I hit a punch shot with compression and as I looked up I saw Ben giving me a thumbs up. That made the entire school worthwhile.

Brian, it was pleasure to work with you again, I always leave in better shape than when I arrived. Lynn, thanks for the time and work explaining and demonstrating, hinging, swiveling, plane line. Ted, your ability to explain extensor action and getting me to feel it for the first time was fantastic. Mike, thanks for your help with alignments, helping me to understand aiming point and how to keep from breaking down through impact.

RBaum I agree, it was worth every penny. I have a lot of work to do, but the way is clearly marked.
 
The term triangle he is talking about is the ground distance is longer uphill than what you view uphill when your standing up which is straight line of sight to the hole.It would only get shorter if you putt it in the air!!



dave

quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

"Distance illusions – uphill the put is actually longer than it looks since it travels up a longer side of the triangle
Downhill the opposite is true – shorter distance on the triangle"

What's this? Triangle?
 

bray

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tbarbertab,

Straighten the right leg is part of standard leg action, verses keeping the right knee bent is right knee anchor.
Standard is more compatible with swinging, and right knee anchor is more compatible with hitting.

Sorting through the duffer's bible.

B-Ray
 
I was an absolute train wreck in the bunker with Ben. I'm a hitter and learning to use the pivot was very difficult. I finally started to get it on Sunday. Let me tell you guys, the bunker can be pure torture, but Ben is a wonderful soul.. working with him is something I will never forget. Although for some reason he thinks I can get a pitch elbow position all the way to my left knee:)
 
quote:Originally posted by davel

The term triangle he is talking about is the ground distance is longer uphill than what you view uphill when your standing up which is straight line of sight to the hole.It would only get shorter if you putt it in the air!!

dave

O ok I get it now. Thanks Dave.

quote: Driver – address it with the toe if you are going to sole it.

Why? I don't get how that works.

quote:Aiming point – do it with pivot and not via the hands

This is a GREAT tip....never heard that 1 b4 but it sure makes sense.
 

rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by Tball88

I was an absolute train wreck in the bunker with Ben. I'm a hitter and learning to use the pivot was very difficult. I finally started to get it on Sunday. Let me tell you guys, the bunker can be pure torture, but Ben is a wonderful soul.. working with him is something I will never forget. Although for some reason he thinks I can get a pitch elbow position all the way to my left knee:)

Man it must have been a great experience! Hate I missed it.

Could you give us a run down on how the bunker drills go? I have heard a lot. Sounds like a good way to develop lag.

Help us out man!

RUN
 

Pro

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Tball was great in the bunker, if he had got it right away we would have never got to hear Ben's Stuff. I have never had a better time than the time I had with the guys at this school.

Todd
 
The most basic "Ben" procedure is to draw a long line (4 feet) in the side and then practice hitting the forward wall of the line out with chips, pitches, punches utilizing only pivot action. If your aiming point is correct you will be able to do it. It takes a little work and it is a tough monotonous drill. Most of us like to hit balls - Ben likes everyone to hit everything "except" balls to fine tune the swing.

Have you ever hit the back of an empty Power Aid bottle at the range? I launched several of them :>)

He also like to use the sun to produce shadows that can help you see the forward leaning shaft.

You can see a video of this on Lynn's site - under the LBG video section.
 

rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by rbaumgolf

The most basic "Ben" procedure is to draw a long line (4 feet) in the side and then practice hitting the forward wall of the line out with chips, pitches, punches utilizing only pivot action. If your aiming point is correct you will be able to do it. It takes a little work and it is a tough monotonous drill. Most of us like to hit balls - Ben likes everyone to hit everything "except" balls to fine tune the swing.

Have you ever hit the back of an empty Power Aid bottle at the range? I launched several of them :>)

He also like to use the sun to produce shadows that can help you see the forward leaning shaft.

You can see a video of this on Lynn's site - under the LBG video section.

Thanks man! So you basically try to have a divot that starts forward of the line? How does the power aid bottle thing work?

Hate I missed out.

R
 

Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

quote:Originally posted by davel


Driver – address it with the toe if you are going to sole it.

Why? I don't get how that works.

Address the ball with the driver with the sweetspot directly behind the ball. Now lift the driver off the ground and *magically* the heel is now close to the ball instead of the sweetspot ;).

Reason why if you "sole it" you address it on the toe is because when it is in the air, the sweetspot will move on to the ball.

you should also do this with the irons as well, BUT you don't position it as far towards the toe as you do with the driver.
 

mav

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quote:Originally posted by rbaumgolf

The most basic "Ben" procedure is to draw a long line (4 feet) in the side and then practice hitting the forward wall of the line out with chips, pitches, punches utilizing only pivot action. If your aiming point is correct you will be able to do it. It takes a little work and it is a tough monotonous drill. Most of us like to hit balls - Ben likes everyone to hit everything "except" balls to fine tune the swing.

Have you ever hit the back of an empty Power Aid bottle at the range? I launched several of them :>)

Does this work for full shots as well? I'm trying to find ways to ways to practice my all my shots including full shot in my backyard.

Did Ben use this drill for hitters?

Thanks
Milan
 
It works for all shots but if you can't do it correctly with the chip, pitch, punch you might as well forget about the full shot. One of Ben's sayings "if can't accomplish it with a chip/pitch why would you try to do it with a punch or a full shot" He's all about working from the tiniest chip upward.......
 
Lynn, Brian, Ted, Matthew (Woodmont's Matt- what a GREAT job he did), Ben and I had our last dinner at Longhorns that Sunday. Ben said that in the last ten days or so, he has been on the road teaching but that this one was different in that he had the same students over three days. The other sessions the students were gone after the first day. He had a big smile saying he enjoyed the workshop.
 
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