6-N-0 Release Types

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Reading sections 6-N/P/R-0 on non-automatic and automatic Releases uncovers some of Homer's raw genius.

He states that for non-automatic Release, the individual Stroke Patterns should be practiced individually step by step until they are consciously perfected. This of course is classic Motor Control Learning Theory relating to whole v.s. part practice. Due to the complexity of Release, Homer felt that it should be learned and practiced by parts and then assembled into it's whole after the parts have been mastered.

In section 3-A, Homer speaks to Translation of Instruction and correct application of TGM. "A procedure must make sense - geometrically and technically." ... for correct application.

Given the complexity of TGM, how can one know that one has properly mastered the Component Parts of the non-automatic Release before attempting the Automatic Release?

How do you, as an AI, judge that somebody has sufficiently mastered the parts of the non-automatic Release before attempting an Automatic Release?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Good question.

I personally teach people a variety of ways.

But on non-auto or auto, some people CAN'T do ANYTHING non-auto and vice-versa.
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Good question.

I personally teach people a variety of ways.

But on non-auto or auto, some people CAN'T do ANYTHING non-auto and vice-versa.
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It would seem, according to Homer, that the non-auto Release and learning the individual Stroke Patterns would be a prerequisite to the auto Release. In other words, anybody following TGM could not jump into an auto Release without first mastering each of the steps in the non-auto Release.

So how could anybody who claims to have applied TGM to their golfswing have properly done so if they have not rebuilt their golfswing in accordance to Homer's dictates regarding the step by step learning of the Stroke Patterns?

Can one cherry-pick TGM without overhauling their Release action?

Have you or any other AI rebuilt somebody's golfswing Release as stated by Homer? Seems logical but rather drastic to me.
 
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Very good questions, Horton. I will answer each individually:

It would seem, according to Homer, that the non-auto Release and learning the individual Stroke Patterns would be a prerequisite to the auto Release. In other words, anybody following TGM could not jump into an auto Release without first mastering each of the steps in the non-auto Release.

Absolutely NOT TRUE.

For example: I take a person who is a new golfer, put their hands on the club properly, set them up correctly, and tell them to make a 'swing' and make a divot in front of a line I have drawn in the middle (or slightly ahead of middle) of their stance.

Sometimes (and much more often with younger golfers) they do it on the first try. And WITH a nice pivot.

They don't even know the RELEASE exists...yet they did it PERFECTLY.

That, eh, is AUTOMATIC (release).

So how could anybody who claims to have applied TGM to their golfswing have properly done so if they have not rebuilt their golfswing in accordance to Homer's dictates regarding the step by step learning of the Stroke Patterns?

Homer gave suggestions and essentials and imperatives. You are talking about a SUGGESTION.

If you 'incorporate' the three imperatives (and consequentally the 21 points in 1-L), you can say to anyone, you have a "Golfing Machine Swing."

Can one cherry-pick TGM without overhauling their Release action?

Yup. The goal is an 'uncompensated stroke,' but if you come up with ANY homemade action that produces the correct alignments (the three imperatives & the 21 points in 1-L), go directly to the first tee.

Have you or any other AI rebuilt somebody's golfswing Release as stated by Homer? Seems logical but rather drastic to me.

Yessiree.

25,000 golf lessons, every possible scenario.

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Yessiree, brainman ..... Unadulterated kids are the easiest to teach a golfswing, whereas thinking men are the most difficult because they let their brains and feelings get in the way of just doing it. Every golfswing instructor I have questioned on kids vs adults confirms this too.

Have you ever told a so-called TGM golfer coming to you for a lesson that he does not have an auto-Release, and does not have the developed skills for a non-auto Release?
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Now that you bring up the 3 Basic Essentials, can you tell me why Homer insisted on a stationary head position for the golfswing? I would think that this Nicklausian concept was replaced with the horizontal/level shifting of the head as done by all tour pro golfers. Nobody keeps their head absolutely rigidly still during the golfswing.

Anatomically, the head cannot even be considered a Pivot Center because it is mounted slightly eccentric to the actual torso/shoulder rotative center according to kinematic analysis of the golfswing. The Glossary definition of Stationary Head is in fact incorrectly described as a "pivot" to stabilize motion. If there is a stationary pivot it is near the body Center of Mass where the distribution of body mass is equal, and that is where the body is stabilized for balance. The head is an axially distal body mass that shifts continually during the rotatory golfswing regardless of subjective feelings and eyeballing.

Surely all AI's must realize this TGM misinterpretation of the head being stationary and a pivot center?
 
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horton

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brianman ... you are certainly taking your time to respond to my query about head position. I assume that you are studying my post and will respond in due course. Happy golf ...:)
 
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horton

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Give me a break....;) You can do either.

You can use the base of the neck OR the through the head pivot center.
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So under what circumstance must you maintain an absolutely rigid Stationary Head Pivot or nape of the neck? Help me on this one Brian ... !!!!!!!!!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Stationary Head: Easy with 'right forearm pickup' and Hogan-like lower body.

Base-of-the-neck center: Better with "shoulder turn takeaway" and 'active pivot.'
 
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horton

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NOT ONLY in the Backswing ... in the DOWNSWING per 1-L THE MACHINE, page 11::

"1. The Stationary Post (player's head) accurately returns the Clubhead through the ball (Centered Arc)."

Homer says the head must be stationary at Impact AND throughout the Swing. This is possible, but do you agree with this and do you teach it???
 
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TYORKE1

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BRIAN , you have patience, HORTON the man answered your questions about release so you pick a new fight, watch BYRD ,APPLEBY, ALLENBY there heads move very little if none, it does depend on the takeaway try it yourself, this is something I like about TGM , I am trying to stay steadier, . I am waiting for your swing thoughts , and give me a break with PENNICK , he could not be more vague, TIM
 
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