A few observations with a magnetic lie tool

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James Marshall (Hogan1953)

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Brian,

In light of your recent Trackman sessions and subsequent conclusions I've been playing around with my magnetic lie tool and it seems to me that in order to get the trueface of my 58º sand iron to point at a target the butt of the club is somewhat further ahead of the face than when I try to do the same with my 3-iron.

As you stated that the blow to the ball is progressively more downward the shorter the club, is it fair to conclude that in order to achieve those impact conditions the shaft has to be leant more forward the more lofted the club?

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

Yours,

James
 
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Hogan1953 said:
Brian,

In light of your recent Trackman sessions and subsequent conclusions I've been playing around with my magnetic lie tool and it seems to me that in order to get the trueface of my 58º sand iron to point at a target the butt of the club is somewhat further ahead of the face than when I try to do the same with my 3-iron.

As you stated that the blow to the ball is progressively more downward the shorter the club, is it fair to conclude that in order to achieve those impact conditions the shaft has to be leant more forward the more lofted the club?

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

Yours,

James
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Depends on your grip and how you have the face set and the handle location (up/down/forward/back) at address.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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handle location at address has nothing to do with where it is at impact, can it influence it in your pattern? Sure but there are no absolutes.

Hogan, yes the shorter the club the more "down" you need to hit it but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot more lean to get the down
 
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I've been playing around with my magnetic lie tool and it seems to me that in order to get the trueface of my 58º sand iron to point at a target the butt of the club is somewhat further ahead of the face than when I try to do the same with my 3-iron.
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Your right there. The loft of your sand wedge "points" left because it is set back further from the hosel than your 3 iron. To hit your 58 degree straight you need to either; lean the shaft forward, open the face a few degrees at address, aim 5-8 yards left at set-up or rotate your plane line during start down (ie swing left). All pro's with great shortgames do one of the above. Most aim left, rotate their plane line and have quite a bit of shaft lean to control spin rate.

Those magnetic lie tools are so handy and can help illustrate many things including understanding the D plane ie true clubface
 
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James Marshall (Hogan1953)

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Thanks for the input. I can see why the height of the butt at impact affects the alignment of the trueface (higher hands, face aims more to the right, lower to the left) and how someone like Trevino with a strong grip had his hands relatively high at impact to compensate.

Brian stated in another thread a month or so ago that the people who said that the butt should be at varying degrees of fwd slant ahead of the face had "a horse in the race" and that the butt should be virtually the same distance ahead of the face for all clubs "and some" which I took to mean maybe a fraction of a difference but not a lot all. Brian obviously didn't make that statement without a reason.

Twitch's comments in this thread (and someone else's comment in the other thread stating that fwd lean is an optical illusion as the shaft is always perpendicular to the plane) about the shifting of the plane to the left with the shorter clubs made me think that maybe the reason for Brian's comment is that relative to the plane the amount of fwd lean is virtually the same. Don't know if that's complete rubbish or a possible explanation.

Any help would be appreciated.

James
 
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