Advice on Release and Dynamic Loft Question

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moontour

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Hi there, a couple of quick questions which may have been answered before but I cannot find the answers through the Search function.

I have a basic understanding of Brian's 'Ideas about the Release', but I still struggle with how lining the club up at impact can create more lag. Any clues to help me in my quest?

If the club is being lined up, and a 'Spiderman' style finish used, how can dynamic loft be kept low? Using this technique I tend to hit a lot of moonballs.

I am not asking to be spoon-fed any answers, but any guidance would be massively appreciated.

Many thanks.

Moontour.
 
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Jared Willerson

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The line up can occur anywhere you want it to. You still want to line the club up with as much forward lean but less downward angle of attack.

A "line up" attitude and less dragging the handle.
 
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moontour

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I was indeed, low pulls were the order of the day. Release ideas have allowed me to get a better face and path, only problem being the odd moon ball now. Not quite sure how to deloft the club but release it at the same time , if that makes sense!

Can anybody give me a quick breakdown of how lining the club up earlier, or moving the hands away from the target at the top of the backswing creates more lag?
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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take a 3 iron with 20* of loft:

0 path, 15* of dynamic loft , 5* of downward angle of attack = 20* of loft. (spin loft)
0 path, 15* of dynamic loft, 0* of downward angle of attack = 15* of loft.

Above is basic example

You need to learn how to deloft with hitting down less.
 
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dbl

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Jim, I had a hard time with the math from your post, but here is a graphic from Brian in the past year that helps me see the delivered loft etc better...

116s276.jpg


Tho seems he didn't put forward lean into the equation...other than it equaling zero in this case.
 
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dbl

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Well that could be...it's not necessarily zero

I found this in a Trackman Newletter
http://www.trackman.dk/download/newsletter/newsletter7.pdf
d) Note that the static club loft together with attack angle
primarily determines the dynamic loft, but the “lead/lag” of
the shaft and the club head position relative to the hands
(also described by the left arm/shaft angle) also play a role.
Click to expand...

So the situation involves several things...a golfer might be thinking forward lean, but the shaft "lead" near impact is going to cancel some or close to all of that lean out.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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The pink in that graphic is incorrect, it should be

dynamic loft - angle of attack = spin loft
45* of dynamic loft - (-5) angle of attack = 50* spin loft.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Moontour, it's very likely you are releasing all your angles very late and very rapidly, causing moon balls. Also, if you originally created lag by increasing the angle between your left arm and shaft, and not your right wrist, making a change could be difficult without an eye to help you out. PM a video to me if you'd like some help.
 
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cwdlaw223

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dbl said:
Jim, I had a hard time with the math from your post, but here is a graphic from Brian in the past year that helps me see the delivered loft etc better...

116s276.jpg


Tho seems he didn't put forward lean into the equation...other than it equaling zero in this case.
Click to expand...

Is the dynamic loft = delivered loft - vertical gear effect? Not sure how vertifical gear effect comes into play for the dynamic loft. I would presume the shaft lean is 4* (static loft - delivered loft).
 
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