After Anti-Summit I, Now What?

[Brian Manzella]

Anti-Summit I is in the books.

We proved that you can have a high-level symposium with a wide-open floor, without any problems.

There was some disagreement, but it was usually settled by science. There was some debate, but often it was fun, and everyone learned. I proved that I might be the only person who could moderate such an event and never run out of questions or energy, manage to interject some excitement, and keep everything moving.

We learned a lot, and just as we thought, more answers lead to even more questions.

So now what?

Well, we are in the process of trying to find more information from a couple of new scientists. We never rest in our pursuit of real science and real answers. We are way out in front on this pursuit, and we intend to stay there.

Now comes the time to start tying things up around here.

We have a lot of big plans, and we need to start implementing them.

We will.

We want to have a second Anti-Summit in the eastern part of the country, I will do at least one GTE next year, and I am going to try to have my schedule for '11 figured out earlier than past years.

But next up is editing the 8+ hours of video from the symposium.

 

[Scott P]

I can't wait Brian, keep up the great work!

 

[Matt Bryda]

Brian,
Why did you change your tag line?

Use your Pivot, Arms, and Hands to apply force to the club in the proper amounts and at the proper time, positioning the golfer and the club to create the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot.

Everything else is show biz!

Matt

 

[Ringer]

Brian, the second one needs a sports psychologist. And I mean NEEDS one.

 

[Bonesy]

"Use your Pivot, Arms, and Hands to apply force to the club in the proper amounts and at the proper time, positioning the golfer and the club to create the proper "D" Plane for the selected shot."

Is it me, or is that alot harder to do than it sounds?

 

[trickyric67]

I am looking forward to your east coast events. I plan on attending.

 

[aaron_lohan]

Get a very good strength and conditioning coach to come along and share their ideas for increasing speed.

 

[ZAP]

Sounds like you found out some stuff that has pointed you in a direction you did not anticipate.

 

[Michael Finney]

Can't really talk for Brian, but I've been against having sports psychologists and strength coaches at a golf swing seminar for a long time......they OBVIOUSLY have their place, but not at the place we're trying to get

That being said, I'm sure Brian will disagree with me

 

[alexandjacob]

not

Can't really talk for Brian, but I've been against having sports psychologists and strength coaches at a golf swing seminar for a long time......they OBVIOUSLY have their place, but not at the place we're trying to get

That being said, I'm sure Brian will disagree with me

Not like its something your not used to Mike j/k

congrats on a great summit, i know Brian will agree it wouldn't have been as good without you

 

[dbl]

I agree with M. Finney. For one thing the goals are at odds. The trainer could always be asked, "given the inefficient swing pattern of X, what could a person do to minimize pain or even just just counteract some of the inefficiency?" Who cares, when you are working on best strokes, or ones that give mechanical advantage. The exception MIGHT be if there was some stroke that was horribly inefficient but TREMENDOUSLY more accurate than any other and you wanted to see how to do the best with it that one could.

And those psychologists could say "anything could work and make a particular golfer better, no matter how inefficient the pattern/method, so long as he thought improvement could come..."

 

[spktho]

I agree with M. Finney. For one thing the goals are at odds. The trainer could always be asked, "given the inefficient swing pattern of X, what could a person do to minimize pain or even just just counteract some of the inefficiency?" Who cares, when you are working on best strokes, or ones that give mechanical advantage. The exception MIGHT be if there was some stroke that was horribly inefficient but TREMENDOUSLY more accurate than any other and you wanted to see how to do the best with it that one could.

And those psychologists could say "anything could work and make a particular golfer better, no matter how inefficient the pattern/method, so long as he thought improvement could come..."

I think the strength trainer should/would be able to isolate certain movement patterns that correspond to beneficial movement patterns in a sound golf swing and use exercises to enhance these movement patterns. As with any sport specific exercise training, the exercises should/could be used to enhance speed and/or injury prevention.

 

[dbl]

I assume the symposium/group is seeking to know forces and torques and angles and such. Just because a trainer might provide some improvement of the human machine doesn't sound to me like he is altering the science of the swing/delivery.

 

[aaron_lohan]

I assume the symposium/group is seeking to know forces and torques and angles and such. Just because a trainer might provide some improvement of the human machine doesn't sound to me like he is altering the science of the swing/delivery.

Precisely, I wouldnt be asking a strength and conditioning coach his thoughts on swing mechanics, just general principles and methodologies to increase speed. Those quacks at the TPI aren't proper strength and conditioning coaches. Other sports employ strength and conditioning conditioning coaches to improve speed, strength and conditioning not to change the athlete's mechanics.

 

[billmckinneygolf]

Brian did a heck of a job keeping the energy up for the entire day. I hope he's up for consideration for the Instructor Search, too.
The Anti-Summit was thought-provoking and insightful. Being a slow thinker, I needed the whole ride home from Scottsdale (6 hours) to separate my biases from the presented facts...and how I can help my students to absorb and apply.
The news that 'Maximum Trigger Delay' is over-rated lightens my load as an instructor. I've always found it to be the hardest thing to teach, by far.
So, I am grateful that my load has been lightened.

 

[birdie_man]

...what could a person do to minimize pain or even just just counteract some of the inefficiency?" Who cares, when you are working on best strokes, or ones that give mechanical advantage. The exception MIGHT be if there was some stroke that was horribly inefficient but TREMENDOUSLY more accurate than any other and you wanted to see how to do the best with it that one could.

It's gotta be relevant in some way though.

For now I'm mostly with you though.....

I may just try graphite right across the board. (save for putter)

They make em pretty good these days...

Graph is best not transmitting vibes correct?

I've gotta say though I would be interested in a way to help the left side of my neck, esp. without performance loss...

(I know I have to hit the gym BTW...)

And those psychologists could say "anything could work and make a particular golfer better, no matter how inefficient the pattern/method, so long as he thought improvement could come..."

Placebo effect!?

 

[birdie_man]

Brian did a heck of a job keeping the energy up for the entire day. I hope he's up for consideration for the Instructor Search, too.
The Anti-Summit was thought-provoking and insightful. Being a slow thinker, I needed the whole ride home from Scottsdale (6 hours) to separate my biases from the presented facts...and how I can help my students to absorb and apply.
The news that 'Maximum Trigger Delay' is over-rated lightens my load as an instructor. I've always found it to be the hardest thing to teach, by far.
So, I am grateful that my load has been lightened.

I'm with ya all the way around.

Same deal with MTD btw...I can't do that shite!!

(with a ball down)

(needing to control the clubface)

 

[jonnygrouville]

Mission accomplished?

... I needed the whole ride home from Scottsdale (6 hours) to separate my biases from the presented facts...and how I can help my students to absorb and apply.

This is the best thing posted about the symposium yet in my view.

I would like to understand half the things discussed, but that's not my job eh? I am glad to hear that Bill is taking the information and having a think about what he 'knows' at the moment, including any particular biases. This is only good for the golf teaching profession and, as user of these services, the golfing public should be pleased to hear this.

I don't think we'll see Brian jetting onto an aircraft carrier with a big mission accomplished banner yet. Might be a bit premature, but we're on the way.

 

[Brian Manzella]

This (Billy McKinney's comments) is the best thing posted about the symposium yet in my view.

I don't think we'll see Brian jetting onto an aircraft carrier with a big mission accomplished banner yet. Might be a bit premature, but we're on the way.

This was a test.

1. Could we pull it off and get a few people in the room? (we had 35 in the room from 4 countries)

2. Would the PHDs get along and work well together? (A++)

3. Could I moderate as good as I said I could? (Yup, but I can and will do better)

So now we do more research and plan ANTI-SUMMIT II.

And I have a LOT OF VIDEO and AUDIO to edit.....

 

[birdie_man]

Brian, the second one needs a sports psychologist. And I mean NEEDS one.

Can't really talk for Brian, but I've been against having sports psychologists and strength coaches at a golf swing seminar for a long time......they OBVIOUSLY have their place, but not at the place we're trying to get

That being said, I'm sure Brian will disagree with me

Reasons for and against having sports psy at MPII?