Aiming point
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EdStraker
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The aiming point will vary depending on your hand speed and the club you are hitting, so you need to experiment to determine the aiming point.
For slow moving hands, the aiming point will be more foreward, and back for fast moving hands. For driver, long irons and fairway woods, the aiming point will be more foreward, and back for the shorter irons.
For slow moving hands, the aiming point will be more foreward, and back for fast moving hands. For driver, long irons and fairway woods, the aiming point will be more foreward, and back for the shorter irons.
The aiming point is the point where you direct pressure point 3 as if it was the ball in the real swing.(Pressure point 3 relates to the first joint of the right hand index finger where it touches the grip) Get into impact fix with hands leading the clubhead with bent right wrist and flat left wrist. The hands should appear to be in the rejion of the left toe. Drop a ball or marker on the point on the ground that corresponds to the line of sight from the eyes through a point on the correct impact fix hands and in the real swing aim to get your hands/direct pressure point 3 at this point at impact in the real swing. I used to do a lot of this hitting balls out of deep divots which is one of Brians ball mashing drills and found improvement in ball striking was instant. TGM/ dlaville had a link to a great SLAP pic which showed the aiming point concept on FGI but this has gone with the Swing Discussion section. With luck he will post the link here to give you a visual. Hope this helps.
Brian Manzella
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ok...Once and for all:
IMPACT HAND LOCATION PROCEDURE: Where the hands LOOK like they are and more imprortantly FEEL LIKE they are at impact. (you shouldn't be looking at anything but the inside-aft quadrant of the ball EXCEPT in LOOK,LOOK,LOOK practice motions)
AIMING POINT: The Spot on the ground and THROUGH THE GROUND that you NEED to direct your LAG LOADING at so that you get to the IMPACT HAND LOCATION.
MANZELLA SIMPLIFIES: Aiming Point is a spot on the ground that your hands WOULD HIT if they came off in the 'throw'...IMPACT HAND location is ON that "track".
IMPACT HAND LOCATION PROCEDURE: Where the hands LOOK like they are and more imprortantly FEEL LIKE they are at impact. (you shouldn't be looking at anything but the inside-aft quadrant of the ball EXCEPT in LOOK,LOOK,LOOK practice motions)
AIMING POINT: The Spot on the ground and THROUGH THE GROUND that you NEED to direct your LAG LOADING at so that you get to the IMPACT HAND LOCATION.
MANZELLA SIMPLIFIES: Aiming Point is a spot on the ground that your hands WOULD HIT if they came off in the 'throw'...IMPACT HAND location is ON that "track".
Brian Manzella
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An aiming point BEHIND THE BALL??
For a lob shot??
For a lob shot??
Wasn't thinking about a lob shot at all.
IF as Kelley states that the aiming point is a function of the hands speed, release type and hinging for selection on the plane line then faster hands and longer clubs could require an aiming point behind the ball. Aren't we identifying a point that where the the action will occur so as to allow the clubshaft to come in-line at the correct time?
Based on my understanding of Kelley, could expect a golfer with fast hands for his short clubs to have an aiming point that is not as far forward as for a golfer with slower hands. The type of release would or should I would think play a roll in defining it, delayed further forward sweep further back...
At least that how it was explained to me and from what I have read by others this is the case. My write up maybe lacking a bit but the concept is there.
IF as Kelley states that the aiming point is a function of the hands speed, release type and hinging for selection on the plane line then faster hands and longer clubs could require an aiming point behind the ball. Aren't we identifying a point that where the the action will occur so as to allow the clubshaft to come in-line at the correct time?
Based on my understanding of Kelley, could expect a golfer with fast hands for his short clubs to have an aiming point that is not as far forward as for a golfer with slower hands. The type of release would or should I would think play a roll in defining it, delayed further forward sweep further back...
At least that how it was explained to me and from what I have read by others this is the case. My write up maybe lacking a bit but the concept is there.
Brian Manzella
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Homer did NOT say that...
He said For and Aft of the aiming point (not the ball).
He said For and Aft of the aiming point (not the ball).
To Directly Quote Homer..(6-E-2-1)...
"--1. move the Aiming Point forward or aft of the established Ball Locatoin....."
...(6-E-2-2)..
"move the Ball forward or aft of the established Aiming Point per the previous page, using the Hnad and Club guidance procedure presente for ---1 above......"
Sorry I think I was right in my poor worded quote...
Since the hands MUST lead the clubhead into impact, ie/ clubhead lag, your hands must aim to a point beyond the ball in order for the clubhead to made impact with the ball. I would think most aiming points are just to the left of pants zipper to outside of left thigh. I guess it depends on swivel into ball.
Brian , love the "where the hands land." Thats why you are the teacher.
Brian , love the "where the hands land." Thats why you are the teacher.
Yes, but it is dependent on hand speed, club length, etc.
Mr. Kelley said the only way to find you own aiming point(s) is with practice and experience.
If a golfer has overwhelming clubhead lag, he might want to "aim" slightly behing the ball.
As BM said, "AIMING POINT: The Spot on the ground and THROUGH THE GROUND that you NEED to direct your LAG LOADING at so that you get to the IMPACT HAND LOCATION."
"IMPACT HAND LOCATION PROCEDURE: Where the hands LOOK like they are and more imprortantly FEEL LIKE they are at impact."
bcoak
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"Aiming Point is a spot on the ground that your hands WOULD HIT if they came off in the 'throw'"
Rookie here so can someone check that I am correct in reading the above. BM means that the spot is where my hands would literally come off and hit the ground if they could do so. correct? WHere is the "throw" initiated from and aimed at? Downward inside aft?
Rookie here so can someone check that I am correct in reading the above. BM means that the spot is where my hands would literally come off and hit the ground if they could do so. correct? WHere is the "throw" initiated from and aimed at? Downward inside aft?
Brian Manzella
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Yes!
Like if you had REMOVEABLE HANDS...
and yes Randy...two ways...Ben likes IHL
Like if you had REMOVEABLE HANDS...
and yes Randy...two ways...Ben likes IHL
is this the swing idea that fred haney teaches? if so his method is based on 45 deg angles as to where you are to release the club.i think you pick a spot a certain ditance in front of the ball on the target line and swing to it. i talked to him one day and at one time he had worked with homer kelly .
Brian Manzella
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Well...if you didn't get to both arms straight, then you would have had to 'plan' to shorten your radius long before that point...which slows down the whole system.
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