aligning tgm with trackman

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I know many think tgm concepts dated and defunct but if you look closely the concepts are remarkably similar

basically the holy grail track man states is the reduction of spin loft to increase compression and ultimately distance

now what tgm was stating in its simplest form was a shallow attack angle via the combination of the shallow in lower body pivot and the flat left wrist concept which shallows the angle of attack thus bringing the two track man vectors closet and correspondingly increasing compression

simply put have we really come that far in 50 years I would argue not and the aim is simply to have the angle of the face at impact (ddynamic loft ) and the angle of attack as close together as possible therefore maximising compression and distance
 
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I'll make this as simple as I can for you. Nowhere in any of those non-sciectifc books does it allude to more compression due to less spin loft. No.
 
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sorry in referring to non scientific books is it tgm or track man ?

It seems relatively straightforward in both cases and I'm convinced of the similarity of the message
 
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these are my genuine personal observations

Even in layman's terms it's obvious that to maximise compression on a ball with an piece of steel angled back the more vertical that piece of steel is the more the ball is compressed

Thus forward shaft lean at a shallow angle is the only way to do it


Track man or TGM the basic principle remains.
TGM simply teaches the shallowing moves while delofting the club face exactly what track man recommends for maximum compression

Can it really be this simple ?
 
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jdesmach@aol.com said:
I know many think tgm concepts dated and defunct but if you look closely the concepts are remarkably similar

basically the holy grail track man states is the reduction of spin loft to increase compression and ultimately distance

now what tgm was stating in its simplest form was a shallow attack angle via the combination of the shallow in lower body pivot and the flat left wrist concept which shallows the angle of attack thus bringing the two track man vectors closet and correspondingly increasing compression

simply put have we really come that far in 50 years I would argue not and the aim is simply to have the angle of the face at impact (ddynamic loft ) and the angle of attack as close together as possible therefore maximising compression and distance
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What edition of TGM is that in again? I must have missed it. So you're saying TGM is Trackman just without all the science in it. Or are you saying TGM is Trackman except one is orange and one is yellow? How does one get the swing data out of the TGM Book does it have a camera in the 7th edition?
 
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I don't see why forward shaft lean leads to more compression. Shallower angle of attack, yes, but shaft lean? Maybe shaft lean just makes you hit the ball with more effort because it shortens the effective radius for many people, which eliminates the need to slow down a bit to hit the ball with the sweet spot (to avoid mishitting the ball on sweet spot)?
 
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Well, I'm thinking shaft lean doesn't necessarily result to shallower angle of attack. I'm open to an explanation though.
 
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if the key to compression according to track man maestro is bringing dynamic loft and a of a as close together as possible forward shaft lean reduces the dynamic loft element and assuming the a of a remains shallow the ball is struck with a more vertical face which I challenge anyone to argue means increased compression
it's so simple really but then does a billion dollar industry founded upon poor technique want simplicity

I contend not
 
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Trackman is simply based upon spin how to apply it optimally for a given shot and how not to
Assuming a centred strike TGM imperatives all direct towards optimising spin it the pivot controlling a of a, the straight plane controlling path and the flat left wrist controlling dynamic loft
 
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Ok. So it's dynamic loft that leads to more compression. Of course, I agree. But why worry about shaft lean when dynamic loft could be achieved by getting clubs with less loft?

If you try to achieve certain shaft lean, wouldn't that lead to steeper or less shallow AoA, therefore offsetting the benefits of the less dynamic loft? So why worry about it?

If at all, shaft lean makes the swing/impact much better only because it shortens/corrects effective radius (real world distance of left shoulder to sweet spot at impact) to get sweet spot into the ball. Right? Or wrong?
 
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Shaft lean serves a dual purpose
Firstly it's amount can either deloft or add loft of a given club in tour pros hit their 8 iron 175 because it has been delofted to a 6 iron but secondly it widens the arc moving the low point forward the difference being up to 4 inches between even good players and pros
Pros don't fat it because of this
 
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jdesmach@aol.com said:
Shaft lean serves a dual purpose
Firstly it's amount can either deloft or add loft of a given club in tour pros hit their 8 iron 175 because it has been delofted to a 6 iron but secondly it widens the arc moving the low point forward the difference being up to 4 inches between even good players and pros
Pros don't fat it because of this
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Yes, agree it moves low point forward, but it steepens the AoA too. I mean, when you have to get more shaft lean to move the low point forward, it means you're steeper and your natural low point is back. Case in point is Tiger. For someone who doesn't need shaft lean, Angel Cabrera.
 
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