All over the place

[Ringer]

I had an absolutely TERRIBLE round. Barely broke 80. Haven't had that kind of trouble in a long long time. I made 79 with a birdie on 18. About the only good thing that came from the whole day was that when the pressure was on I came through.

I was making sure to set up with axis tilt, stood a bit taller, and made sure my hands were not so close to my body.

Sorry folks, but I had absolutely no control over my swing. I may have to back off even these small changes. Just cause it makes it look better doesn't seem to give me better results.

Brian appears to have been correct when he said to beware of any changes. I was doing what I was doing for a reason. IT WORKED! It's a valuable lesson.

 

[Burner]

I had an absolutely TERRIBLE round. Barely broke 80. Haven't had that kind of trouble in a long long time. I made 79 with a birdie on 18. About the only good thing that came from the whole day was that when the pressure was on I came through.

I was making sure to set up with axis tilt, stood a bit taller, and made sure my hands were not so close to my body.

Sorry folks, but I had absolutely no control over my swing. I may have to back off even these small changes. Just cause it makes it look better doesn't seem to give me better results.

Brian appears to have been correct when he said to beware of any changes. I was doing what I was doing for a reason. IT WORKED! It's a valuable lesson.

You mention axis tilt. Can this be over done?

We tilt at set up because the right hand is lower on the golf club than the left - it is natural and there is no logical reason to add to it.

Secondary axis tilt occurs as a result of the left hip bump that triggers the down swing - there is no logical reason to add to it.

Discuss.

 

[shortgamer]

I had an absolutely TERRIBLE round. Barely broke 80. Haven't had that kind of trouble in a long long time. I made 79 with a birdie on 18. About the only good thing that came from the whole day was that when the pressure was on I came through.

I was making sure to set up with axis tilt, stood a bit taller, and made sure my hands were not so close to my body.

Sorry folks, but I had absolutely no control over my swing. I may have to back off even these small changes. Just cause it makes it look better doesn't seem to give me better results.

Brian appears to have been correct when he said to beware of any changes. I was doing what I was doing for a reason. IT WORKED! It's a valuable lesson.

I thought you said you were inconsistent and needed help because you weren't making birdies. Sorry ringer but you sound like all those students that give up because they had a bad round and didn't believe the teacher knew what he was talking about. I think this is a perfect example of how hard it can be to change

 

[Ringer]

You mention axis tilt. Can this be over done?

We tilt at set up because the right hand is lower on the golf club than the left - it is natural and there is no logical reason to add to it.

Secondary axis tilt occurs as a result of the left hip bump that triggers the down swing - there is no logical reason to add to it.

Discuss.

Well if you read the thread where Jim and others responded to my original swing back on 1/1/07, it was mentioned that I don't have enough axis tilt. That comment wasn't directed at the setup but more about my backswing. As a result though I did set up with more at setup and it did put me in the better looking positon at the top of my backswing. The problem is, it makes me very inconsistent. I'm not sure my setup was all that bad, they just wanted me to have more tilt at the top of my backswing. I like to change setup and finish before I change swing.

I honestly don't know if my axis tilt at impact was all that bad either. I think I'm just going to go back to what is comfortable and consistent for me.

 

[Ringer]

I thought you said you were inconsistent and needed help because you weren't making birdies. Sorry ringer but you sound like all those students that give up because they had a bad round and didn't believe the teacher knew what he was talking about. I think this is a perfect example of how hard it can be to change

I understand how you could get to there from my statements but understand that I've been working on this for the last several weeks. I'm also an auditory/kinesthetic learner. In other words, you tell me to do something, I will do it within a matter of 3 swings. I have no trouble accomplishing the goal.

My premiss is that either the information was incomplete, or inaccurate. I had no consistency to my misses either. But that's because with my upper body being further behind the ball at impact than I'm used to, my normal sweep release was not effective. Timing was all over the place. And keep in mind, I've been trying to figure this out for about a month now.... with no improvement. IMO, if there is no improvement, then it's inaccurate or incomplete information. I haven't given up on the idea. I just need to figure out how to fix what's going wrong now that I've made the changes. Until I have that information, I'm not going to keep doing something I don't understand.

So can anyone tell me, with more axis tilt, and arms not as close to my body... how am I suppose to avoid hitting thin, pull hooks and push fades?

 

[chiper]

I have had the same problem as you Ringer and feel your pain, I found that applying more axis tilt at set up did not fix the lack of axis tilt at the top.

I have since discovered that there are other factors/faults that inhibit correct axis tilt at the top of the swing.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

This isn't an easy topic to "fix" over the net. Only so much can be done without someone being there and saying....yup that's what you're doing.

Maybe you are over doing it. Maybe you are hanging back and can't get back. Maybe now that you are in a new position you can't find the plane as easily. Maybe you have to develop new feels.

Hard to do without being there.

 

[Ringer]

This isn't an easy topic to "fix" over the net. Only so much can be done without someone being there and saying....yup that's what you're doing.

Maybe you are over doing it. Maybe you are hanging back and can't get back. Maybe now that you are in a new position you can't find the plane as easily. Maybe you have to develop new feels.

Hard to do without being there.

You're right Jim and I think I may have found a solution to the problem.

I'm not so sure it was the axis tilt so much as my hands at address.

Last night I was setting up with a bit more axis tilt but didn't prop up my hands.. I let them hang again just in front of my left thigh. I also stood a bit taller. This felt much better. I felt that I could still extend my arms and not feel like I had to reach. I think it was the reaching that really bothered me. This also let me feel as if my hands could be more ahead at impact while still staying slightly behind the ball.

I won't base any conclusions on just one night at the range, but it was much more comfortable and the consistency appears to have returned for the moment.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

You're right Jim and I think I may have found a solution to the problem.

I'm not so sure it was the axis tilt so much as my hands at address.

Last night I was setting up with a bit more axis tilt but didn't prop up my hands.. I let them hang again just in front of my left thigh. I also stood a bit taller. This felt much better. I felt that I could still extend my arms and not feel like I had to reach. I think it was the reaching that really bothered me. This also let me feel as if my hands could be more ahead at impact while still staying slightly behind the ball.

I won't base any conclusions on just one night at the range, but it was much more comfortable and the consistency appears to have returned for the moment.

At your level you have to make minute changes and validate the results. Change 1 thing at a time and see what the results are and go from there.