Alpha Reaction Drivers

[birdie_man]

Anyone have one?

If all the LD guys use em they must be damn good...no?

 

[mrodock]

If all the LD guys use em they must be damn good...no?

That's the way I always thought of it.

 

[shortgamer]

They're no better than anything else...but they do pay alot for pros to play them. Just like the way TM dominates in drivers(on tour), everybodies gettin paid. It's already been proven that the adjustable weight drivers don't do what they claim. It's all deception and paying for an image.
Now back to LD, guess who is usually in the 2 or 3 slot and doesn't pay players a dime or give away drivers anymore? SMT and that's because they flat out get the job done.

 

[birdie_man]

Thanks for the post. Good heads.....with paid-off players (like TM).....def. sounds possible.

I read their faces never crack....that's pretty impressive in itself for guys swingin 150 or w/e anyway.

I've read great things about SMT too.

And Ashton Golf.

 

[jimmydean]

i have always liked bang drivers
jimmy

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

It's already been proven that the adjustable weight drivers don't do what they claim. It's all deception and paying for an image.
QUOTE]

Wrong. Adjustable weight drivers do work. They may not move enough weight around to really influence COG but they do move enough weight to effect how the shaft reacts which will in turn relate to clubhead closing rates.

 

[Burner]

Does anyone have any data on exactly how many clubhead (or shaft manufacturers) there are that can produce commercially viable numbers of components?

I doubt that there are more than four or five producers making clubheads for the entire market that can then be sold on at prices that you and I can afford or are willing to pay.

For example, nearly all of the worlds supply of golf balls are manufactured by just 3 outlets - source, recent TV programme on the manufacture of golf balls, "How do they do That" . Branding differs, sure, but the ball?

Similarly, clubheads etc.

Sorry for the threadjack but I am curious as to how so many different claims can be made by so many different "manufacturers" that their product is the best/most innovative/ technologically superior item on the market. If it were we would not be able to pay for the R&D necessary for these claims to be made.

Design specs' may differ (? marketing hype) but I suspect most of the stuff - like balls, trainers (sneakers to you guys?) - is all made in much the same place.

Anyone?

 

[Perfect Impact]

Wishon says that the vast majority of iron heads are made by a handful of overseas mfrs.

 

[hue]

Anyone have one?

If all the LD guys use em they must be damn good...no?

One point worth considering when using components used by long drive guys is that they tend to be designed to take longer than standard shafts as the long drive guys use them. They do this by making the heads lighter otherwise the longer shaft would take the swing weight off the chart. I know this is the case with Bang which is also used widely by long drive guys. Tour Issue driver heads tend to be heavier than their retail versions because pros tend to play slightly shorter than standard length drivers in the 44" to 44 1/2" range for more control.

 

[shortgamer]

It's already been proven that the adjustable weight drivers don't do what they claim. It's all deception and paying for an image.
QUOTE]

Wrong. Adjustable weight drivers do work. They may not move enough weight around to really influence COG but they do move enough weight to effect how the shaft reacts which will in turn relate to clubhead closing rates.

Jim, I respect your opinions on the golf swing more than about anyone around here but Tom Wishon proved that the TM drivers do not move enough weight to make a noticable difference. Now you can add or subtract total weight to make the shaft behave differently but then you are also changing the swingweight. Did you also know that once you move all that weight that you've also moved the sweetspot? And then when your body finds the new sweetspot you're right back to where you started with no draw or fade tendencies.
Like I said though you can change total weight to affect shaft freq. but they don't make that claim. People that fade or slice would be much better off buying a closed face driver but they want this "image" of playing what the pro's play which is kinda funny when you know the truth. Funny being the fact that for one they're getting paid and two, the fact that these pro's are playing tour issue equipment which plays nothing like the retail stuff.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, I respect your opinions on the golf swing more than about anyone around here but Tom Wishon proved that the TM drivers do not move enough weight to make a noticable difference. Now you can add or subtract total weight to make the shaft behave differently but then you are also changing the swingweight. Did you also know that once you move all that weight that you've also moved the sweetspot? And then when your body finds the new sweetspot you're right back to where you started with no draw or fade tendencies.
Like I said though you can change total weight to affect shaft freq. but they don't make that claim. People that fade or slice would be much better off buying a closed face driver but they want this "image" of playing what the pro's play which is kinda funny when you know the truth. Funny being the fact that for one they're getting paid and two, the fact that these pro's are playing tour issue equipment which plays nothing like the retail stuff.

I was hoping you were going to bring up the Tom Wishon thing because we are talking about the something a little different.

Wishon did prove that the moveable weight drivers do not move enough weight around to actually influence the COG postion to influence ball flight. He made a driver head that had i think a 50-60gram "hook shaped" piece of metal inside the head that was turned via a dial on the bottom of the head. Now that head could definately influence the COG to influence ball flight.

But what the moveable weight drivers do is influence how the shaft reacts. Just like leadtape does, except no more crappy stuff to scrape off. Put a bunch of weight in the heel with a R7, leadtape, or say a cleveland comp which has 25g of heel weighting and you will effect how fast the clubhead closes during the swing.

Again not arguing with you that it changes the COG which it can't but it does effect the clubhead closing rate and with a "neutral" swing that hits the ball pretty straight you can get roughly 10-12 yards of movement (draw/fade) with an R7.

This is unbiased opinion too cuz i play a Cleveland Comp.

 

[tourdeep]

Hi Jim....(James )...!

I have the r7 quad non pro version, played with the weights initially, and have yet to change the weight (neutral) position for a couple years. I'd rather adjust to my play tendency for the day.

Two of my playing partners own the R7 quad as well, and they change it regularly to adjust for ball flight tendency while playing (yes, I know, but if money is on the line, their tool wrench will stay in the bag). They absolutely swear by it.

Another friend just picked up the 425 (nice club) and tried the varying weight positions. He too, felt it had an effect on ball flight.

What are your thoughts about the new shaft that TM is employing? That is, minimizing the "ovaling" effect, to keep the shaft more round thru the swing?

Also, on another site, one of the contributing pga players felt that with the advancement in club technology, he could go to any retail outlet and buy a club matching his set, and get it tweaked to his specs (don't quote me on this) and he's good to go...