Am I way off plane here? (with pics)

[2mongoose]

After the recent TSP threads and taking a look at similar discussions in the archives, I pulled a recent quasi down the line look pic and added a crude plane line. How bad am I under plane here?

Info on my swing: I flip at it with everything but the gap and lob wedge (with a full swing, I know kinda weird). Misses are blocks and hooks as I fight swinging too far to the right. I also see a slight cup in the wrist at the top. Have been playing w/ twistaway but I think 1) not flipping 2) getting on plane are bigger issues. Index is 7, but overall I'm a bad ball striker and solid short game.

 

[spktho]

Do you have a picture of address and half-way down on the downswing? It may be easier to see if you are on plane on the downswing.

 

[bray]

Camera was to far to the right in this picture. Which can make you appear below plane.

The camera should be on a straight line back from the hands down the line.
When you get this picture than we can answer better.

I believe it was Mclean that said he could move a camera and make the swing look flat or upright.

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B-Ray

 

[2mongoose]

Unfortunately, this is all I've got at the moment. Will try and get something up this weekend.

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

The ball looks as though it's the middle of your stance as well

 

[Chris Sturgess]

It looks like you kind of swing like Trevor Immelman with the low hands at the top. Maybe try to copy the finer points of his action from a youtube video or somewhere.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Honestly, it's hard to tell from that spot, HOWEVER, i would take a hunch that since you say you flip everything that you are probably slightly under plane at the top, more than likely under plane on your downswing and thus flip to save it.

AGain, just a hunch though.

 

[2mongoose]

More pics

Alright, here are a few more pics from today at the range:

SETUP - 7 Iron

AT THE TOP - 7 Iron

ON THE WAY DOWN - 7 Iron

FINISH

ON THE WAY DOWN- 3 Iron

FINISH - 3 Iron

DRIVER - DTL

 

[2mongoose]

I struck the ball well today with some authority. I still feel "soft" on the front side like I slide a bit instead of really turning. The driver was better but IMO I look really stuck here.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

2mongoose...the next time you go practice and hit balls i want you to place a box, like the one iron sets come from PARALLEL to your target line and next to the ball. So essentially something like this:

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Now hit balls that go as straight as you can or fade slightly without hitting the box. Let me know what happens.

 

[vjcapron]

Have been playing w/ twistaway...

Mongoose,

The twistaway is an anti-slice move! This is not something you need. You need more Never Hook Again.

Your driver swing is too much around and too deep. Misses will be thin, in the heel, and hooking or blocking.

Your plane with the irons is better (closer to TSP), due to a more bent over spine angle and rotated shoulder turn.

All in all, a good swing. Your posture needs some work, though. Take out some of that knee flex at address, stand taller. This will bring you in closer to the ball by an inch or two and encourage a more upright swing to get you closer to the TSP.

I'm surprised your handicap is as high as 7 with some of the positions you attain.



P.S.
You are cheating with drawing your TSP line. You are drawing it too low. It should go through the very tip of the left shoulder. Therefore, you are more under the TSP than you think. A few inches makes a big difference.

 

[Bigwill]

2mongoose...the next time you go practice and hit balls i want you to place a box, like the one iron sets come from PARALLEL to your target line and next to the ball. So essentially something like this:

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Now hit balls that go as straight as you can or fade slightly without hitting the box. Let me know what happens.

Is this drill used to correct plane, or to correct a flip? I ask because the 3-iron finish position looks just like me, so I'm wondering if it's a drill I should try.

 

[2mongoose]

No more flip!

Bigwill,

FWIW I struck the ball solidly with a ton less flip yesterday, so the positions you see are much better than I probably get into.

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

Your 3 iron in the downswing shot looks to be slighter below the plane, the butt should a fraction closer to the TSP line you drew. As a consequence the left arm is aiming a bit too far to the right of the target at that point of the downswing. You should try to aim to get the left arm as close as possible to parallel to the target line when its parallel to the ground in the downswing. You can see in the later post-impact photo how much your club goes to the right and how the triceps separate from the ribs.

 

[bray]

Mongoose,
All in all, a good swing. Your posture needs some work, though. Take out some of that knee flex at address, stand taller. This will bring you in closer to the ball by an inch or two and encourage a more upright swing to get you closer to the TSP.

vjcapron,

Great Tip and Catch on Address.

Jim,

Great Tip on the box drill.....I believe this would help the Driver DTL picture where the club is outside the hands.


2mongoose,

I would use both of the tips above.....also just for future reference there is some flip in your three iron finish. I would rather see the left wrist flat at this point which would put the club more inline or even to the right of your hands.

Good Luck.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Mongoose,

The twistaway is an anti-slice move! This is not something you need. You need more Never Hook Again.

While the twistaway is something that is primarily used with slicers it doesn't mean it can't work for someone like Mongoose. You have to understand that some people who make backswings like his, do so because of open clubface problems. I just gave a lesson last week to someone who had an even WORSE low/flat backswing and swung too far right, he needed to learn the twistaway and not the never hook again pattern.

 

[2mongoose]

Thanks VJ

Mongoose,

The twistaway is an anti-slice move! This is not something you need. You need more Never Hook Again.

Your driver swing is too much around and too deep. Misses will be thin, in the heel, and hooking or blocking.

Your plane with the irons is better (closer to TSP), due to a more bent over spine angle and rotated shoulder turn.

All in all, a good swing. Your posture needs some work, though. Take out some of that knee flex at address, stand taller. This will bring you in closer to the ball by an inch or two and encourage a more upright swing to get you closer to the TSP.

I'm surprised your handicap is as high as 7 with some of the positions you attain.

P.S.
You are cheating with drawing your TSP line. You are drawing it too low. It should go through the very tip of the left shoulder. Therefore, you are more under the TSP than you think. A few inches makes a big difference.

VJ,

What do you mean by "too deep" w/ the driver swing? Misses are basically as you described. Thanks for the feedback.