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[birdie_man]

I posted a review of TGM on Amazon.com

The average rating of HK's book is only like 3 & 1/2 stars...I thought we should try to get it up higher.

Post a review if you have time...we owe it to Mr. Kelly to spread the word and silence all the naysayers IMO...some of the reviews so far are not so favourable...mostly from ppl who gave up on sorting through the book.

Here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...by=-SubmissionDate&x=10&y=14&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

-Paul

...my review should be up soon...I guess they have to review it first or something.

 

[Biffer]

birdie man, I just posted a review, as per your request, and it went up immediately. You might have to redo yours. BTW, I counted 10 out of 17 reviews in favor of the book, plus one that was a maybe. Also,one of the reviews dated Feb. 18, 2003 (fairly long) looked like it was posted by a famous FGI instructor.

 

[birdie_man]

Right on man...good job. I'll try again BTW.

That Feb. 18, 2003 review is horrible...he is entitled to his own opinion I guess...but that doesn't make it right.

He talks about Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan...bad bad example.

Give me a break...of course they don't think about what they're doing while they're doing it...you're talking about gifted people here.

I mean, it's Tiger Woods for god sakes. He has had it about 2000% easier than 99.9999% of normal people. He's one of the gifted few who just "has it" (a golf swing) for some reason. For God sakes....TGM can make ppl understand how to swing like Tiger Woods...it's not something that happens overnight. You can't just tell a hacker to not think about his swing and hope that it will magically transform. It's like telling a unconfident person to "Just be confident." Uh....well you skipped a few steps there...

You are prolly gonna do some thinking and figuring out things while you are developing your swing (duh!)...but you have to be a researcher b4 you can be a performer. Once you know what you're doing THEN groove it in so you don't have to think about it.

Anyway enough ranting but c'mon....just don't say dumb stuff...whoever this guy is...

Again, thanks...and I'll try to post my review again.

-Paul

[EDIT] I can't stop flaming this guy sorry...

...he also missed the boat on the position golf thing because Kelly states in his intro that this (position golf) is not what TGM is about, and is not what golf should be about.

This guy didn't take the time to understand TGM and consequently posted a horrible, misleading review. That kind of stuff drives me nuts. NUTS! RARRRRRaFHafhkGAHFAHGAGAAGGG!

I can understand the guys who say it's a tough book to read...I guess. I mean, they really are still missing out just because they don't want to dedicate themselves...

But I don't like the closedmindedness of some...they misrepresent it so bad by feeding people their own exaggerated and biased and misleading opinions...i.e. "I hate to say it, but most often it's nerds who can't actually perform it who approach the golf swing this way. They forget about the human factor in the swing and try to approach it like some engineering project."

That crap. If you don't like to think of the golf swing this way then good...but everyone has a different style. I like blue...but you might like RED! Right?

 

[birdie_man]

Great review BTW Biffer.

You had some qualms with TGM but at least you said it in a more informative way (like a real review) instead of saying something like:

"This book blows! Homer Kelly was an idiot! You are an idiot-nerd-moron if you read this! Absolutely useless book throw it in the garbage."

-Paul

 

[Erik_K]

quote:Originally posted by Biffer

birdie man, I just posted a review, as per your request, and it went up immediately. You might have to redo yours. BTW, I counted 10 out of 17 reviews in favor of the book, plus one that was a maybe. Also,one of the reviews dated Feb. 18, 2003 (fairly long) looked like it was posted by a famous FGI instructor.

Feb 18th is my birthday! And no, I didn't write the lengthy review

 

[Biffer]

Thanks for the comments birdie_man. Looking forward to reading your review. I have to admit that when I first acquired the book I was a little put off by it's format, but I kept returning to it and over the years I came to appreciate that it is loaded with tons of good info. I feel that if I learn only one thing from any book, it is well worth the price. I wish Mr. Kelley would have written a follow up book, aimed at educating a larger audience. His work, the way it stands now, is basically going to waste. Of course, that is gradually changing because of our man Brian and a few other AI's and TGM followers. Hopefully, what Brian is doing with his learning materials will help speed up the process of spreading the word.

 

[Biffer]

Just read your review, b.m. Very good. One of my pet peeves is when somebody says that they learn by feel! If that was really true, there would be a lot more great golfers in this World. I wonder if they could bake a cake by feel? What ingredients to use, how much of each, how to mix, how long and temp to bake? Do carpenters learn by feel? uggggh!

 

[dss]

Biffer- Carpenters learn by watching someone do it correctly and then doing it themselves, again and again. I am a visual learner- I see someone do something and then copy what I have seen. Homer was obviously an Audio learner(e.g. teacher's pet in school)who could read or listen to words and figure things out himself. Very few people are in that category-perhaps you are that way, also. But, visual learners have an almost impossible time getting through TGM ( I know!) But, if someone SHOWS me what is meant in, e.g., 6-b-1-d, I then can copy what I have seen and improve my game and my motion. The book is VERY HARD for us, but we can get it by seeing Brian or Lynn demo'ing what Homer was writing about. Perhaps the reviewer needs someone to "guide" him through the book; a new convert would be made, I am very sure!

 

[birdie_man]

Ya man...Homer meant TGM to be a instructional book for a teaching program. He envisioned training AIs (Authorized Instructors) with the book and it's own terminology...the student's job is to see the AI like you would with a normal instructor...but the teacher and student basically speak a common language and go by the same, correct principles that make up TGM. The teacher basically explains the concepts in the book with more clarity and the student takes up the slack and studies from the book- uses it as a guide.

Great concept really...

Lol...I'm laughing now at that rant I let off earlier...man you'd think the guy was on this forum. It just bugged me I guess.

-Paul

 

[birdie_man]

BTW dss...

I haven't heard anyone talk about learning styles before...but that's an interesting point. Homer says his book IS "plain dictionary English"...and it is...but I know what you mean. It's pretty technical writing really. Not a "leisurly read" really...I wouldn't want to read it late at night...or early in the morning lol.

But Homer says something like "Golf is dependent on thinkers." The book is dependent on thinking people...and that's what it is...you have to let the book process in your head. But once you start to get it, you get those "lightbulb moments" like crazy. The information is amazing once you "get it." 10000x better than "keep the clubhead outside your hands" or w/e (especially when the next guy tells you to keep the clubhead inside your hands or something...).

quote:Originally posted by Biffer
I wish Mr. Kelley would have written a follow up book, aimed at educating a larger audience.

I agree 100% man. The book could get into the mainstream more easily if it was more appealing to the average guy...w/o taking away much from the book of course.

...that is, seeing as Homer's plan for TGM to be the official PGA teaching manual didn't pan out...

-Paul