anatomical flat / visual flat

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jenhaoyen

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I finally understand what anatomical flat means.

Brian also mentioned most good players have some what left wrist bend on the downswing.

I felt like it's so much easier to do so then having a down arch wrist. It's also easier to perform the tumble.

as you can see in the video below, Buba has a left wrist bend through out the downswing until almost he hits the ball

 
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ej20

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Very often players with very flexible wrists such as Sergio and Hogan look like their left wrist is bent from the caddie view.They are not as bent as it looks if bent at all.

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If anything I see a slight arching move to start the downswing.
 
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ej20

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I think this business of bending the left wrist to start the downswing is not a good idea.Fot every good player who does this there are going to be a dozen who does the opposite.It's an anti twistaway.
 
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spktho

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What is meant by anatomically flat? I learned a neutral wrist position as having the radius/ulna, carpals(wrist bones) and the metacarpals(hand bones) all in the same straight alignment--no flexion, extension, ulnar, or radial deviation. I don't see how this would be different from visually flat.

It would be much easier to have a universal nomenclature especially when describing anatomical positions--and it already exists.
 
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I've always suspected that "anatomically flat" is a bit of a fudge by teachers who've realised that "forearm in line with back of hand" flat isn't the answer for everyone.

Anatomically flat just seems to give a little more leeway in the left wrist whilst continuing to pay lip service to the imperative of "flatness".

That said, if you make a fist, don't you find an angle at the back of your hand/wrist/forearm? I would have thought that that's as close to a "neutral" position for the wrist as any. I just wouldn't bend over backwards to find some way of describing it as "flat".
 
Dariusz J.

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Wrist is often confused with palm (outer surface), thus, what we see depends if fingers are in extension vs. not - wrist is in the same position while looking at the palm it looks like being palmar- vs. dorsi-flexed.

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spktho said:
What is meant by anatomically flat? I learned a neutral wrist position as having the radius/ulna, carpals(wrist bones) and the metacarpals(hand bones) all in the same straight alignment--no flexion, extension, ulnar, or radial deviation. I don't see how this would be different from visually flat.

It would be much easier to have a universal nomenclature especially when describing anatomical positions--and it already exists.
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if i may, anatomically flat means exactly as you have stated, centrally aligned. visually flat, imo, means the wrist is actually flexed a bit, aka, bent toward the palmer side, just enough so that the dorsal side, the side where our wrist watch sits, looks flat or in a straight line.

imo, because being at visually flat is not a strong physiological position, it can slide into a bowed position very easily. similarly, it can also slide into a more anatomically flat position.

of course, how the above is translated into golf, particularly in each individual's case, is another story. wrist is a highly mobile joint.
 
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spktho

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golfdad said:
if i may, anatomically flat means exactly as you have stated, centrally aligned. visually flat, imo, means the wrist is actually flexed a bit, aka, bent toward the palmer side, just enough so that the dorsal side, the side where our wrist watch sits, looks flat or in a straight line.

imo, because being at visually flat is not a strong physiological position, it can slide into a bowed position very easily. similarly, it can also slide into a more anatomically flat position.

of course, how the above is translated into golf, particularly in each individual's case, is another story. wrist is a highly mobile joint.
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When I visually see the wrist flat I see it as being anatomically neutral, just how I'm trained I guess.

I'll have to find a flouroscopic clip to refresh my memory to see how the carpals move when the fingers are extended and flexed into a fist, but I think anatomically neutral is independent of the phalangeal positions.

I'm with you on the question of the implications on golf with respect to 10-15 degrees of the left wrist flexion/extension throughout the swing. It is very much grip related.
 
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ej20

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Visually flat is anatomically a slight arch in my opinion.Anatomically flat would be a visually slightly bent position.This is an illusion because of the protrusion of the knuckles when making a fist.

I prefer the visually flat or anatomically arched postion at the top as used by Tiger and Jack.For me if I can lock it in this position during the first part of the downswing as well I can really trap the ball cleanly without a hint of flip.Impact position for the left wrist should be visually flat.Hogan called this supinating.
 
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