Angled Hinge Swinging

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Tball88

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Brian made a comment to me in Canton that I was peforming an angled hinge swing(I was naturally a hitter). Brian being the instructor he was didn't focus on hitting or swinging, but more on ball flight and what I needed to do to score. I've actually gone to a swinging motion on almost all shots and really enjoy it. I just don't peform a full roll. I actually just fire with the left arm and typically will have a slight bow in my left wrist at impact.

I believe some have said that Jack Nicklaus was an angled hinge swinger, can someone tell me the pros and cons of this type of motion???
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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the natural motion of a swinger with a strong single action grip or any normal type neutralish grip is a full roll of the clubface. To perform an angled hinge ALL THE TIME doing this goes against the natural motion of the full roll. If you play with a grip that's super strong like old duval or current couples, the tends to create the angled hinge for you because it's already turned.

So, want to be an angled hinge swinger? Use a really strong grip. But if you're going to angle hinge it most of the time, you might as well be a hitter. You'll have better results.

So make a choice:

1) Learn how to become a full roll swinger. So that you can distinguish between a full roll and a half roll. It will be much easier to produce each on command.

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2) Change the grip so that when you swing, the swing will want to produce an angled hinge (couples/duval.)

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I'll tell you though, i went from a hitter to a swinger and it was hard learning the full roll but i worked on it and got it. However performing an angled hinge swing is a little difficult, when i need an angled hinge...i tend to just "hit" it.
 
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Tball88

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Jim, or anyone else, learning a full roll is very difficult for me. Intuitively it does not seem like it would be difficult. Whenever I attempt a full roll I feel as if my left wrist breaks down.

What drills did you do or would you recommend to get the full roll ingrained?
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by Tball88

Jim, or anyone else, learning a full roll is very difficult for me. Intuitively it does not seem like it would be difficult. Whenever I attempt a full roll I feel as if my left wrist breaks down.

What drills did you do or would you recommend to get the full roll ingrained?
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I always loved watching Ben in Canton do that little swivel with his left wrist as he sat and listened to Brian and Lynn teach. I always felt the swivel of the left wrist was like a safety valve for Swingers to prevent throw-away.

Brian had be 'feel' like I was driving the toe into the ground in front of the ball. Practice, incubate, feel.

go get 'em
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by Tball88

Jim, or anyone else, learning a full roll is very difficult for me. Intuitively it does not seem like it would be difficult. Whenever I attempt a full roll I feel as if my left wrist breaks down.

What drills did you do or would you recommend to get the full roll ingrained?
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Start with chips and no ball. Let it roll open, and roll through. It's hard to explain but i learned it just doing left arm only swings. I'd let it:

turn to the plane
cock up the plane
come down the plane
roll to the plane
impact
roll back to the plane
cock back up the plane

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Once you can do that with a wedge and produce a small draw, you know what you're doing.
 
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nevermind

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I’ve wanted for a while now to Swing all clubs down to the full wedge shots, and Hit everything else. The problem is I'm not Hitting it very well. My solution at the moment, haven't tried it much on the course, is to Swing these shots but with single wrist action and angle hinging. Works well in the paddock at home, but maybe steering is a potential problem? What do we think?
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by nevermind

I’ve wanted for a while now to Swing all clubs down to the full wedge shots, and Hit everything else. The problem is I'm not Hitting it very well. My solution at the moment, haven't tried it much on the course, is to Swing these shots but with single wrist action and angle hinging. Works well in the paddock at home, but maybe steering is a potential problem? What do we think?
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Steering is always a potential 'snare', but I would agree that angled hinge swingers have less margin for error in clubFACE control.

You've got to 'free wheel'. As Homer said - make no adjustments because of impact.

Hogan - "trying to control the clubface through impact is a folly, it happens too fast"

You've got to commit to the motion you are trying to make, be that the 'no roll' FEEL of angled hinge, or the FULL roll of horizontal hinge.

smoooooth, HEAVY motion ;)
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

You've got to 'free wheel'. As Homer said - make no adjustments because of impact.

Hogan - "trying to control the clubface through impact is a folly, it happens too fast"
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This is why we preach: EDUCATED HANDS. They are the alignments to 'wheel.'
 
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wanole

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If you roll can you have throwaway? also, if you roll will you be tracing the plane post impact? In other words does tracing the plane teach you how to roll and does a roll prevent a broken left wrist at impact?
 
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6bee1dee

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I think the swivel prevents a break down/throwaway of the left wrist. Rolling on the plane line is fulfilling acc3's transfer assignment.
 
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Tball88

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Thanks for the video on Holmes. So how to you visually identify an angled hinge swinger? It is a lack of swivel on the follow through??

I'm currently utilizing a Shoulder Turn takeaway, I feel no roll or swivel of the left arm on the backswing(just lift). On the downswing I do not try to roll or swivel my left arm, all I do turn my shoulders back down and attempt to have a slightly bowed wrist at impact.

Would you guys define that movement as angled hinge swinging.

I'm just trying to make sure I'm identifying my motion correctly.

Did hit 8/9 greens yesterday and shot 36 on the front 9 at my club, so whatever it is, it felt good yesterday.
 
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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by Tball88
So how to you visually identify an angled hinge swinger? It is a lack of swivel on the follow through??

Did hit 8/9 greens yesterday and shot 36 on the front 9 at my club, so whatever it is, it felt good yesterday.
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Congrats on your great ball-striking and play, Tball. Your dedication and effort deserve it!

Regarding the Angled Hinge Swinger, you will see and sense his 'no roll' through Impact. In stop-action sequence photo, you will see the Left Wrist perpendicular to the Angled Plane of the Stroke at the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight posiiton).
 
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Brian Manzella

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One of the things that almost NO ONE ever talks about, is having something to work AGAINST.

The club is trying to close, but you can work AGIANST it and....NEVER hook it and NEVER slice it.

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rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

One of the things that almost NO ONE ever talks about, is having something to work AGAINST.

The club is trying to close, but you can work AGIANST it and....NEVER hook it and NEVER slice it.

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I'm liking the sound of this! Can you give us some mo'?
 
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Tball88

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Holenone, thanks for the kind words. Trust me, my 36 can turn ugly in a hurry. This is probably the longest I've worked on one motion all year. I've gone back and forth between hitting and swinging for a while. This motion that I stumbled into just seems very simple. I actually go for a no role sensation, make sure I have a flat or slightly bowed left wrist at impact, while pulling the club into impact. Only downside so far to this motion is that I have to be extra careful about ball position. If I get the ball too far back, I will block to the right, my guess is because I have no roll into impact.
 
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