Angled hinging

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

Angled hinging tends to cause the ball to fade. How do you get the ball to go straight or draw with AH?

My (very humble) understanding is that AH (being more closely associated with a Hitting procedure) is typically used in conjunction with an across the line delivery path.

The hips slide at an angle to the target line (rather than horizontaly as per a Swinging procedure) and the hands/clubhead is delivered along an 'across the line' path.

When I try it, my feeling is that my hips shift towards the midpoint between 1st and 2nd base and I drive the ball towards 1st base.

This would create a tremendous hook swing with Horizontal hinging, but creates a straight shot with AH due to the inherent fade tendencies of AH.

YMMV
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

Angled hinging tends to cause the ball to fade. How do you get the ball to go straight or draw with AH?

To compensate for the Slice tendency of Angled Hinging, simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix. The exact amount can be determined by experiement only, but in general, the longer the shot, the more Closed. That is because the harder the Impact, the longer the Ball stays on the Clubface; and the longer the Ball stays on the Clubface, the more exaggerated becomes the Slice tendency of Angled Hinging's Uncentered Motion.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

Ok thanks
Do you need to use a cross line delivery path with angled hinging?

Hi mb6606,

Here is a Four Accumulator Response:


A. Single Barrel -- For Those Who Want Just A Simple Answer:

No. Angled Hinging does not require a Cross Line Delivery Path. Or vice versa.

B. Double Barrel -- For Those Who Want To Understand Why And Are Willing To Work:

Hinge Action (2-G) is independent of Plane of Motion (2-F). Therefore, any Hinge Action (7-10) may be used with any Inclined Plane regardless of its Base Line (7-5); its Angle (7-6); its Delivery Line (for the Clubhead) whether Geometric or Visual or Geometric Equivalent of the Visual (2-J-3); or its Delivery Path (for the Hands) whether Line, Angled Line or Circle (7-23).

C. Triple Barrel -- For TGM Junkies Only:

That said, Angled Hinging is most compatible with the Hitter's Muscular Thrust (Right Triceps) Drive-Out of the Clubhead. This Stroke may be executed on the true Geometric Plane Line, e.g., the Square Plane Line (10-5-A) per the Drive Loading Basic Pattern (12-1-0); or on the Geometric Equivalent of the Visual Arc of Approach (the Clubhead blur through Impact) per 2-J-3. This is the Angle of Approach Delivery Line, i.e., the straight line drawn between the Orbiting Clubhead's Impact and Low Points (Sketch 2-C-1 #3). This is a Cross Line procedure that uses the Closed Plane Line of 10-5-E and its steep Plane erected on the Angle of Approach.

D. Four Barrel -- For Anybody Left Standing And Still Reading:

However, even when using for (Clubhead) Delivery Guidance the Geometric Square Plane Line of 10-5-A, the Delivery Thrust -- on any of the Line Paths (10-23-A/B/C/D) -- remains Cross Line, i.e., a Straight Line, On Plane Right Forearm Thrust towards the Plane Line per Sketch 1-L-9/10/11. Thus, the Delivery Path Angle (direction) is always the Right Forearm Angle of Approach as established by its Impact Fix Alignment. Then, the Stroke's Basic Power source (2-M-1) will determine the most compatible Hinge Action. Muscular Thrust (Hitting) will automatically produce Angled Hinging. Centrifugal Force (Swinging) will automatically produce Horizontal Hinging.

Please...

No questions! :) [8D]
 
Yoda, No Questions! ......No Fair!

So, while no particular delivery path is 'mandatory' for any given hinge action, a cross line delivery path is most compatible with (and most commonly used with) a hitting procedure utilizing angled hinge action. Close?

On another topic, your last statement puzzled me a bit.

"Then, the Stroke's Basic Power source (2-M-1) will determine the most compatible Hinge Action. Muscular Thrust (Hitting) will automatically produce Angled Hinging. Centrifugal Force (Swinging) will automatically produce Horizontal Hinging."

We have, in the past, discussed the need to pre-determine your hinge action at impact fix. This conscious choice of hinge action can effect ball position, clubface alignment etc.

The above statement seems to imply that this is unnecessary. If one simply decides on his power source, the appropriate hinge action will be employed 'automatically'.

The corollary to this would seem to be that determining your hinge action will define your power source. I don't think this is correct since I can readily thrust or swing usng any desired hinge action.

the only way I can make sense of it is if I read the above to mean that a Hitting procedure will be more compatible with angled hinging because it has an angled hinging tendency and (unless concsiously altered by the player) will 'automaticaly' produce angled hinging. Likewise for Swinging/Horizontal Hinge.

The hinge action to be used still needs to be pre-determined at Fix. The choice is whether to use, or alter the natural tendencies of your power source.

Where am I adrift?

Thanks
Triad
 
quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by mb6606

Angled hinging tends to cause the ball to fade. How do you get the ball to go straight or draw with AH?

To compensate for the Slice tendency of Angled Hinging, simply close the Clubface at Impact Fix. The exact amount can be determined by experiement only, but in general, the longer the shot, the more Closed. That is because the harder the Impact, the longer the Ball stays on the Clubface; and the longer the Ball stays on the Clubface, the more exaggerated becomes the Slice tendency of Angled Hinging's Uncentered Motion.

Is impact fix "address", or actual impact of clubface to ball?
 
Impact Fix and Address positons aren't the same. Impact Fix is the alignments and positions that you should be in when impact occurs, i.e. hands are ahead of the ball, shaft is leaning towards the target, left wrist is flat along with right wrist being bent. Also, left shoulder is higher at impact than at Address.

When you check Impact Fix, the hands should appear to be near the left toe.
 
quote:Originally posted by EdStraker

Impact Fix and Address positons aren't the same. Impact Fix is the alignments and positions that you should be in when impact occurs, i.e. hands are ahead of the ball, shaft is leaning away from the target,

Shouldn't that be leaning TOWARDS the target?
 
Dave,

Thanks for catching my typo, I just edited it to reflect that the shaft is leaning "towards" the target. I guess the caffiene hadn't kicked in yet when I wrote my earlier response. ;)
 
quote:Originally posted by EdStraker

Dave,

Thanks for catching my typo, I just edited it to reflect that the shaft is leaning "towards" the target. I guess the caffiene hadn't kicked in yet when I wrote my earlier response. ;)

No problem Ed--I'm caffiene dependent as well!

(pssst--now delete the word "from" after "toward" and it will be perfect:))
 
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