another hack honing his skills on trackman....(plus launch angle graphic p3).

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trackman stuff starts at 3:20ish

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/sports/2012/04/05/exp-living-golf-luke-donald-hotshots.cnn[/video]
 
I love watching the best do it. Describe it. And then verify it.

Can't help but wonder how good he'd be if he used D&S.
 

Dariusz J.

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Just wondering, how he can be so good, still using the Old Ball Flight Laws. Seems in practice they still work. I'm sure the wind and subconcious corrections compensate for his lack of knowledge.

LUKE DONALD: Mizuno Masterclass 9 / Iron shaped to left sided pin - YouTube

Old or new, in fact, he is closing his clubface in relation to his path (which surely will be in-to-out taking into account his palallelly closed stance) and his ball must draw in such scenario. Apparently, his clubface during a speed real motion will not be delivered so closed as at address because it may always tend to be squarish at impact and alongside overall path as in case of all good players.
The so called old ball flight rules are precisely wrong but have the most important issue correct, i.e. face closed to projected path in case of draws and open in case of fades. The rest is practice or subconscious, I guess.

Cheers
 
Old or new, in fact, he is closing his clubface in relation to his path (which surely will be in-to-out taking into account his palallelly closed stance) and his ball must draw in such scenario. Apparently, his clubface during a speed real motion will not be delivered so closed as at address because it may always tend to be squarish at impact and alongside overall path as in case of all good players.
The so called old ball flight rules are precisely wrong but have the most important issue correct, i.e. face closed to projected path in case of draws and open in case of fades. The rest is practice or subconscious, I guess.

Cheers

That's always been my opinion about the OBFL. With practice, you figured out how much or how little to open or close the clubface to the path on your own. Do we really think Luke would be even better if his understanding of the NBFL was as good as the people on this forum. Who knows, maybe he knows them as good as anyone, and he practices them, but still finds it easier to explain curving the ball using the old method. I just get tired of hearing from so many people on this and other forums, that anyone that still teaches the OBFL is a hack. I wish I could hack it around as good as Luke.
 

Dariusz J.

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That's always been my opinion about the OBFL. With practice, you figured out how much or how little to open or close the clubface to the path on your own. Do we really think Luke would be even better if his understanding of the NBFL was as good as the people on this forum. Who knows, maybe he knows them as good as anyone, and he practices them, but still finds it easier to explain curving the ball using the old method. I just get tired of hearing from so many people on this and other forums, that anyone that still teaches the OBFL is a hack. I wish I could hack it around as good as Luke.

True. I laugh so hard at those who ridicule e.g. Faldo because of lack of knowledge in this or other topics and in their next post said how important is opinion of an average tour player.

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Brian Manzella

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Just wondering, how he can be so good, still using the Old Ball Flight Laws. Seems in practice they still work. I'm sure the wind and subconcious corrections compensate for his lack of knowledge.

That's just the facts:

"subconcious corrections compensate for his lack of knowledge"


Or in his case, maybe he knows, and doesn't know how to EXPLAIN IT simply enough.
 
New ball flight rules are facts. No real point in debating them. But subconscious reactions are facts too.

Practice is probably more important than theoretical understanding. But that doesn't mean that the right theory or factual knowledge isn't important or won't help. It might even help cut down on your practice time...
 

Jim Kobylinski

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That's always been my opinion about the OBFL. With practice, you figured out how much or how little to open or close the clubface to the path on your own. Do we really think Luke would be even better if his understanding of the NBFL was as good as the people on this forum. Who knows, maybe he knows them as good as anyone, and he practices them, but still finds it easier to explain curving the ball using the old method. I just get tired of hearing from so many people on this and other forums, that anyone that still teaches the OBFL is a hack. I wish I could hack it around as good as Luke.

Johnny, i see what you are saying and true enough however for some pros it might actually help them; a lot. 2 people i know who have a much better understanding of ball flight and ending results with trackman are Tiger working and David Toms.
 
What do the 'moves' associated with OBFLs achieve in terms of NBFL.

Q. Ball forward, stance open - what is the likely influence on players clubace?
 
that was an excellent video, like a mini "playing lessons from the pros", trackman approved. if trackman did a series of those with all the players that use their device, it would be well watched, by me at least.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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What do the 'moves' associated with OBFLs achieve in terms of NBFL.

Q. Ball forward, stance open - what is the likely influence on players clubface?

Straight to fadish, basically a cut shot. He's opening his stance to swing more left and keeping the loft a bit higher (opening the face) all in an effort to hit it higher/shorter/more spin
 
Just wondering, how he can be so good, still using the Old Ball Flight Laws. Seems in practice they still work. I'm sure the wind and subconcious corrections compensate for his lack of knowledge.

LUKE DONALD: Mizuno Masterclass 9 / Iron shaped to left sided pin - YouTube

AT ADDRESS, Donald says he aims the clubface at where he wants the ball to end up....physics/Trackman tells us in order for him to hit the shjot thsat he did, the clubface had to be open with respect target line but closed to swingpath....

It seems that setting up with clubface at target line is a 'feel', prompt, or mechanism for ensuring that the clubface is closed to swing path, this ensuring a draw...The old ball flight laws do not work, it's just that 'setting up with clubface at target line' is way of successfully implementing the new ball flight laws.

Donald would have it all wrong if he says 'AT IMPACT, I ensure that I have my clubface aimed at where I want the ball to land'.
 

leon

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Doesn't the fact that he moved the ball back also skew everything rightwards, essentially giving him what he needs to hit draw at target?
 
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