Another Out Toss Question
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Brian Manzella
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Basically, the downswing is part arms/hands/&club, and part body.
The out toss (which is just a swing thought that works for some but not for all) is simply the golfer trying to get their arms/hands/&club to their impact "attitude" from the top—out to the golfers right.
To answer your question in one word:
YES!
The out toss (which is just a swing thought that works for some but not for all) is simply the golfer trying to get their arms/hands/&club to their impact "attitude" from the top—out to the golfers right.
To answer your question in one word:
YES!
Jared Willerson
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IMO, the main thing is simply not to "tug" with the left arm/shoulder complex.
This allows the out toss to happen and your body will react so you won't hit the ground. The out toss may not be for everybody, but if anyone has consciously worked on dragging the wet mop through impact, they will likely need at least a little bit of it.
This allows the out toss to happen and your body will react so you won't hit the ground. The out toss may not be for everybody, but if anyone has consciously worked on dragging the wet mop through impact, they will likely need at least a little bit of it.
Brian Manzella
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Thank you. I thought that was the idea but for some reason I was reading into the video that the toss, coupling point rotation and going normal were separate 'stages' or motions to be felt. I did much better with the idea of a continuous motion.
On a separate note, this is sooooo much different than what I have ever done. Trusting that clubhead to 'come back' without tugging after the toss is the hardest thing I think. Especially when you have 'see ball, hit ball' mentality.
'This allows the out toss to happen and your body will react so you won't hit the ground.'
BTW, Jared, very well said.
On a separate note, this is sooooo much different than what I have ever done. Trusting that clubhead to 'come back' without tugging after the toss is the hardest thing I think. Especially when you have 'see ball, hit ball' mentality.
'This allows the out toss to happen and your body will react so you won't hit the ground.'
BTW, Jared, very well said.
Thanks guys. I have been working on this and am finding that if I think too much hands and arms then my body doesn't react and I do hit it fat. So far I have to think about starting both hands and body close to the same time to hit the ball first, but it is still with delayed hips and shoulders compared to what it used to be.
@spktho & jbrunk. I was having a devil of a time with this. I have a certain few other swing issues, but I drag and pull in an obscene fashion, especially as I get close to impact. What I have been trying to do - and it seems to be working - is aim my right hand release at a spot approx. 2-3 inches behind the ball and try to hit it fat. Release your right hand all the way DOWN. Don't ever feel like the left hand should drag forward, even as you close in on the ball. You'll be surprised after a short while how the left side seems to go to sleep, and then reawakens when it has to pull the hula hoop out from the ground. (The jump, I assume)
Hope this helps...
Hope this helps...
JEREMY5577
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Oliver I know we have talked about this before. I think you are onto something here. Although my thought is with the right elbow leading not the right hand, but same idea.
I have tried these ideas to some extent and with some successes. With Oliver's suggestion, I will just plain hit it fat unless I really try to pull the hoop out what feels real early to me, but maybe it is correct.
Doing Jeremy's suggestion I really have to get the left shoulder up and back and have more axis tilt, because when I lead with the back elbow it really opens up the club face. I guess I could also twist more and lead with the elbow, but then have a tendency to roll through the release.
All the suggestions are good and work well for me. I just need to do one or two accompanying movement(s) to hit the ball first and straight.
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JEREMY5577
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spktho,
Bending the left wrist back on itself can feel like a roll if you arent used to it. I noticed the same thing, but the ball wasn't going left at all so I started to trust it. Then when I saw it on video the clubface did not look shut post impact.
JEREMY5577
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I am not in anyway trying to say that I know what I'm talking about here, but one of the senior members who does looked at my swing and noticed it was out of sequence. He said no matter how much information we have on this new release and everything else we know: the golf swing is still very similar to an athletic move of throwing a ball side arm.
What I took from that changed everything. Yes I've heard it a million times, but when you combine it with out toss and going normal this is what happened.
What I did was from the top of the backswing with no club and a golf ball in my right hand. I began my throw with a little out toss right elbow guiding the way, try to get the right elbow as deep past the naval as practical and do everything you can to go normal and throw the ball straight in the air to the clouds.
No matter how hard I try to throw it to the clouds the ball releases from my hand and goes dead straight. Keep in mind I'm doing everthing I can to throw it vertical and it goes horizontal.
I really started to notice the body reacts to this move in sync. Throw as hard as you want and the body reacts. About two months of using this and I'm only hitting it better each range session. This is the building block I used.
jeremy.trying understand this more:
Try to get the right elbow as deep past the naval as practical and do everything you can to go normal and throw the ball straight in the air to the clouds.
No matter how hard I try to throw it to the clouds the ball releases from my hand and goes dead straight. Keep in mind I'm doing everthing I can to throw it vertical and it goes horizontal.
On the downswing your toss is away from your r,shoulder and your tossing to the clouds(right)?
Then your r,elbow is leading your arm pass the navel and then you release the club head (right)
Thanks for your help, this is very difficult at my age, but I can handdle it.
Try to get the right elbow as deep past the naval as practical and do everything you can to go normal and throw the ball straight in the air to the clouds.
No matter how hard I try to throw it to the clouds the ball releases from my hand and goes dead straight. Keep in mind I'm doing everthing I can to throw it vertical and it goes horizontal.
On the downswing your toss is away from your r,shoulder and your tossing to the clouds(right)?
Then your r,elbow is leading your arm pass the navel and then you release the club head (right)
Thanks for your help, this is very difficult at my age, but I can handdle it.
JEREMY5577
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Joep I guess what I was trying to convey was try to make a side arm throw with the right elbow leading, but not forgetting to add a little out toss away from the target. Then go normal by trying to release the ball straight up in the air. What seems to happens is the ball rockets out of your hand at the target. This is exactly the feel I'm looking for in my full swing. Hope this helps I know everyone is different.
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