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Right wrist folds, left wrist cocks on the backswing.

I do not see how the wrists can work the hands in conflicting directions. Please, some clarification.
 
There's NO conflict. The bending right elbow cocks the left wrist, while the bent and level right wrist is maintained to the top.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Ringer...if you make a proper backswing the left wrist will cock for you without any problems. However if you setup at "classis address" with a bent left and right flat...somewhere in the backswing you are going to have to either 1) flatten your left wrist intentionally or 2) bend your right wrist intentionally.

I personally do not worry about the cocking, the folding of the right arm on the backswing takes care of that. I just make sure i flatten my left wrist at the beginning of the takeaway. Usually happens in the few 12" or so. I verify this with a tac-tic
 

rwh

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Right wrist folds, left wrist cocks on the backswing.

I do not see how the wrists can work the hands in conflicting directions. Please, some clarification.

Ringer,

Hold your left hand in front of you with the left wrist flat, level and vertical (palm facing right). Cock your left wrist; this is a vertical movement only. Then, hold your right hand out in front of you, wrist also flat, level and vetical, about one foot to the right of the left hand. Bend the right wrist to the right. This is a horizontal movement only. Now, Without changing either wrist condition, put your palms together. You will have to bend your right arm to be able to do this. You now have a cocked left wrist and a bent right wrist position. There is no conflict. As an added bonus, you have now created the Flying Wedges alignment.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Right wrist folds, left wrist cocks on the backswing.

I do not see how the wrists can work the hands in conflicting directions. Please, some clarification.

Ringer,

Hold your left hand in front of you with the left wrist flat, level and vertical (palm facing right). Cock your left wrist; this is a vertical movement only. Then, hold your right hand out in front of you, wrist also flat, level and vetical, about one foot to the right of the left hand. Bend the right wrist to the right. This is a horizontal movement only. Now, Without changing either wrist condition, put your palms together. You will have to bend your right arm to be able to do this. You now have a cocked left wrist and a bent right wrist position. There is no conflict. As an added bonus, you have now created the Flying Wedges alignment.
But I do not have to bend my right. When I put my hands out in front of me clapped together.. then move them to my right shoulder, my wrists don't have to do anything. But if I push them away from my shoulder as if I had a club in my hand and were trying to get the toe of the club to touch my shoulder, indeed my left AND right hand move toward the topline of my forearms, but neither fold.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I forgot to add...

The only "folding" that occurs happens when I put my hands around an actual grip.

You use a shoulder turn take-away. We use a right forearm take-up which keeps the club on plane. The right hands bends back level and vertical. The right bending of the elbow cocks the left wrist. You now have a bent right, a cocked left. If 'swinging'(you swing-steve) you also turned the left hand to the right and put pp3 under the shaft. If 'hitting' you had no turn of the left hand, no rotation of the forearm and have pp3 behind the shaft. The alignment of pp3 is important, don't mix them.

You can use a shoulder take-away if you like, many do, it is the convential wisdow, low and slow - but it has too many built-in problems. The right forearm take-UP is a better way. Shoulder turn take-away input is irrelevant.

Since using the right forearm take-UP this summer along with its ability to violently dump pp3 onto the ball, my ball flight has been straighter and much much farther. Brian can teach you - I see from your posted swing that you try to go very wide, sway like, with the shoulder turn to maintain a circle. This can cause many problems. Add a line in your circle. And put your brains in your hands. PP3 hits the ball. PP3 rules ball control.

good luck
 

Mathew

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Simple - the left wrist must turn (by moving forearm) so that the cocking motion is 90 degrees to the right wrist (keeping its level and vertical alignments) so that it can bend.... Flying Wedges...

Magic !
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Right wrist folds, left wrist cocks on the backswing.

I do not see how the wrists can work the hands in conflicting directions. Please, some clarification.

Ringer,

Hold your left hand in front of you with the left wrist flat, level and vertical (palm facing right). Cock your left wrist; this is a vertical movement only. Then, hold your right hand out in front of you, wrist also flat, level and vetical, about one foot to the right of the left hand. Bend the right wrist to the right. This is a horizontal movement only. Now, Without changing either wrist condition, put your palms together. You will have to bend your right arm to be able to do this. You now have a cocked left wrist and a bent right wrist position. There is no conflict. As an added bonus, you have now created the Flying Wedges alignment.

See Hogan at the top of his swing for the ultimate wedge extreme.
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by Ringer

quote:Originally posted by rwh

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Right wrist folds, left wrist cocks on the backswing.

I do not see how the wrists can work the hands in conflicting directions. Please, some clarification.

Ringer,

Hold your left hand in front of you with the left wrist flat, level and vertical (palm facing right). Cock your left wrist; this is a vertical movement only. Then, hold your right hand out in front of you, wrist also flat, level and vetical, about one foot to the right of the left hand. Bend the right wrist to the right. This is a horizontal movement only. Now, Without changing either wrist condition, put your palms together. You will have to bend your right arm to be able to do this. You now have a cocked left wrist and a bent right wrist position. There is no conflict. As an added bonus, you have now created the Flying Wedges alignment.
But I do not have to bend my right. When I put my hands out in front of me clapped together.. then move them to my right shoulder, my wrists don't have to do anything. But if I push them away from my shoulder as if I had a club in my hand and were trying to get the toe of the club to touch my shoulder, indeed my left AND right hand move toward the topline of my forearms, but neither fold.

For this to happen, you must understand the point/tip of the right elbow, going up and down a single plane, with the right forearm rotating around that point, "fanning", and the forearm and elbow being on plane through impact. Elbows same distance apart and pointing downplane will show you this.

Very nice description Steve, you've got some great images and feels, powerful stuff ;)
 
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