Anti-Laid Off, SOFT DRAW backswing

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pecky987

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heres my friend. he is severly laid off. he hits the ball fine, but wants rid of this laid off look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-2V8kMHFXU

we tried to have him take it more out side, and try to keep his right arm/hand face the ball longer in his takeaway. it got better, but still a little left.

thankful for any input
 
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Brian Manzella

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The Soft Draw Pattern.

The backswing of the Soft Draw Pattern, will eradicate this problem.

Just a preview...

1. Right Forearm hanging in a NEUTRAL position. NOT ON PLANE with the shaft. See Snead.

2. Distance of Butt of the club stays relatively constant from belt line as club passes the right leg. NO "POP OUT."

3. Right Elbow stays above left early, and Elbows are level late.

4. Left Thumb feels "in your right ear."

5. Left Shoulder works down and in in takeaway. NOT dead flat.

6. Wider elbows at the top.

7. Soft Left Wrist at the top.

8. Don't over Tilt on backswing.

9. Body swings arms, then arms PULL body to the top.

10. "Look" in your Left Elbow pit, on backswing. DON'T pop elbow out.
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pecky987

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Brian Manzella said:
The backswing of the Soft Draw Pattern, will eradicate this problem.

Just a preview...

1. Right Forearm hanging in a NEUTRAL position. NOT ON PLANE with the shaft. See Snead.

2. Distance of Butt of the club stays relatively constant from belt line as club passes the right leg. NO "POP OUT."

3. Right Elbow stays above left early, and Elbows are level late.

4. Left Thumb feels "in your right ear."

5. Left Shoulder works down and in in takeaway. NOT dead flat.

6. Wider elbows at the top.

7. Soft Left Wrist at the top.

8. Don't over Tilt on backswing.

9. Body swings arms, then arms PULL body to the top.

10. "Look" in your Left Elbow pit, on backswing. DON'T pop elbow out.
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so if he implements these things, he will be less laid off and more 'parallel'?

i'd have thought he'd need more from the fade side of the matrix, not the draw side
 
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pecky987 said:
should we do them in order? like NSA, 1 thru 10. if 1 doesn't work then try 2 and so on?
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No.

That's why I am redoing all the videos exempt NSA 2.

You would START HERE (a video title based on a middle pattern, but not a "Do It Right" do this-do that video).

Then you would know where to go.

How?

I'd tell you on START HERE.

;)



But for now...have him do the SF backswing. :cool:
 
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pecky987

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Brian Manzella said:
No.

That's why I am redoing all the videos exempt NSA 2.

You would START HERE (a video title based on a middle pattern, but not a "Do It Right" do this-do that video).

Then you would know where to go.

How?

I'd tell you on START HERE.

;)



But for now...have him do the SF backswing. :cool:
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so just tell him a few of those ideas/thoughts/feelings and he'll be Manzella cured?
 
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joeparr

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I was practicing all theses moves and my dog looked at me like I was a nut. This is something I have to SEE.........Cant wait to see video...joe
 
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tank

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Brian Manzella said:
The backswing of the Soft Draw Pattern, will eradicate this problem.

Just a preview...
1. Right Forearm hanging in a NEUTRAL position. NOT ON PLANE with the shaft. See Snead.

2. Distance of Butt of the club stays relatively constant from belt line as club passes the right leg. NO "POP OUT."

3. Right Elbow stays above left early, and Elbows are level late.

4. Left Thumb feels "in your right ear."

5. Left Shoulder works down and in in takeaway. NOT dead flat.

6. Wider elbows at the top.

7. Soft Left Wrist at the top.

8. Don't over Tilt on backswing.

9. Body swings arms, then arms PULL body to the top.

10. "Look" in your Left Elbow pit, on backswing. DON'T pop elbow out.
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This sounds exactly like the 'feel' I have developed for my backswing, except for number 6. What is the significance of the wider elbows?

On the downswing, I turn the left hand down and through the inside of the ball, resulting in a beautiful soft draw.

Like I said this is the feel that I have developed, I'm not sure what my swing actually looks like. I'm hesitant to look at my swing on film because I am striking it so well right now, and knowing the tinkerer that I am, I will see something that I hate, and ruin my swing trying to fix it.
 
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I could be wrong, but it seems this would define a more up-and-down back swing rather than a flatter, around the body back swing (which to me always seem a little more laid off)

I am guilty of taking away too inside, resulting in (I believe) the opposite of Brian's advice. ;)
 
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ColinMB said:
I could be wrong, but it seems this would define a more up-and-down back swing rather than a flatter, around the body back swing (which to me always seem a little more laid off)

I am guilty of taking away too inside, resulting in (I believe) the opposite of Brian's advice. ;)
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Good point Colin. And because I have fought a too steep backswing in the past, maybe that's why that "wider elbows" feel would not work for me.
 
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ColinMB

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Whenever there is discussion on elbow position (widening of elbows, and height difference) in the backswing, I always think of this video of Retief Goosen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrXIT7m9LGw

I am totally jealous of his ability to pull his right elbow down (without turning shoulders) and crank the ball from the inside. As you know Tank, I fight the early turn on the downswing. :D

Oh and oddly enough I remember how you started your backswing with an outside take away, and now that's something I try to 'feel' in my backswing to prevent a too far inside take away.
 
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Looks like Raymond. (Floyd)

If his face was fine (I'm not sure on it but judging by all the divots I guess it is?) I woulda thought him to be a NHA guy too. I woulda said steeper shoulder turn.....trace more outside.....lift arms......etc.

Your fix is not so far away from his current pattern tho eh Brian.

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Big Chief said:
But for now...have him do the SF backswing.
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Must mean SD eh boss.
 
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multi

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plf said:
Should it not rather be "left shoulder works down and out towards ball in takeaway"
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I don't think so because I think down and out if I'm feeling that I get too underplane at the top. Down and in seems like it would help if you're slightly over at the top.
 
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multi said:
I don't think so because I think down and out if I'm feeling that I get too underplane at the top. Down and in seems like it would help if you're slightly over at the top.
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Is that during takeaway? Cant figure my left shoulder going in and be further away from the ball. Sorry if I misunderstood.
 
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multi

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plf said:
Is that during takeaway? Cant figure my left shoulder going in and be further away from the ball. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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Ah, I imagine that the left shoulder doesn't physically move further from the ball, I think that's impossible. I interpreted it as instead of moving the shoulder down and out(clubhead more down the line), you're moving the shoulder down and the club more inside the ball.

Depending on how far you are from the "center of the matrix" you need different things. This particular point seems to address the issue of being too steep in the backswing. NSA feels like you keep the shoulders level, no down all in. SD feels like a little shoulder tilt with some in.
 
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