Axis Tilt

[rbaumgolf]

This is one of the most confusing parts of the swing for me to understand. What causes it, how do you do it, does it happen naturally in response to something else, how do yo know if you are not doing it.......I know its important but when I "try" to do it I usually hit "fat" shots.......maybe I'm leaning and not tilting

 

[CentralCoastKid]

If you are referring to secondary axis tilt, this occurs with the lateral slide of the left hip towards the target and keeping the head stationary. This results in the bottom of the spine ending up closer to the target. Also this allows the right shoulder to drop and for the hands to approach the inside aft quadrant of the ball.

Make sure you don't try to move the hands themselves, they are moved by the pivot.

 

[ping]

Does Jim Flick do the axis tilt properly? It seems like for his irons he is on top of the ball, and has very little or no axis tilt?
anybody seen this?

 

[tgmer]

Somehow I also unable to intentionally do the left hip lateral shift. Instead I am doing: right shoulder back and down the plane, aiming at the inside aft quadrant, and somehow it works: at least hit the ball quite well, and feel the second axis tilt. Is this correct? Is this also for different person, doing others thing will come up with the same result?
Thanks.

 

[bcoak]

isnt the hip move different for a swinger vs. a hitter?

 

[hue]

Yes it is. I don't know enough about the hitter's hip action to really help you. The swingers hip bump is parallel to the base line I understand that the hitters hip bump is on a slight diagonal and follows the delivery line.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Wow!

Let me say this:

I RARELY!!! see anyone with too much tilt.

Learn to tilt correctly and THEN worry about this swinger and hitter stuff.

 

[TYORKE1]

BRIAN , when you say never too much do you mean dropping the right shoulder down toward your right foot, I'm a little confused, TIM

 

[Brian Manzella]

Most golfers have (like flick) not enough tilt.

 

[hue]

Brian: I know you like a lot of axis tilt. what are the mechanical advantages of this over the less axis tilt "stacked" option in your opinion? Thanks.

 

[bcoak]

I went on a launch monitor a year ago and found that I do not really launch my driver very well. In the few times I have played this year, by concentrating on increasing my secondary axis tilt I really launch the ball higer and get better distance. WOuld this be correct?
Also, to get more tilt I feel like as I drop pp3 at my aiming point it "pushes" my lower spine back. Is this ok?

 

[drewitgolf]

The hip slide (hip turn 7-14) causes the axis to be tilted allowing you to bring your right shoulder and forearm on plane, without moving the head.
"Keep that right shoulder not only back but down (on plane)or you will run out of right arm before the hands reach the impact position, an automatic throwaway." -Homer Kelley (7-13)
Hip slide or axis tilt causes the down (in down-out-forward).

 

[tgmer]

I know I am not doing the hip turn correctly. Please comment.

When I slide the hip and turn, I found from the video that my hip at impact move closer to the target line. That's why I cannot generate more space. Someone told me that because my hip bump too much, lateral slide too much before the turn, and too high on the left hip, therefore the hip move forward to the target line.

And, Brian you just mention not enough hip slide. This indicate to me that I am not doing the right movement. How do you slide without the left hip goes up? And if too much slide, won't it move your hip forward? Do you use the right knee to push along the target line? Some instruction said use your left knee for the first move. Please comment.

 

[hue]

Brian: In these pics of Tiger at address and impact.

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80234/1/2799814

Woods has increased his axis tilt not only by shifting his hips left but also moving his head further away from the target than it was at address . This is the kind of thing a hammer thrower does to get maximum power in the release. Do you like to see this or do you prefer the head to be in the same relative position it had at address? Thanks.

 

[6bee1dee]

A good swing thought to work on axis tilt is to (from the top)lower the right elbow (don't think right arm lowering) and raise the left shoulder high as you bump to the left. This stretches the left side into being longer and should help get your right elbow ahead of your hands keeping the flying wedges intact and in front of your hips ready for impact with a snap of the hips, the pivot. Don’t think about lowering the right shoulder but the right elbow. And freeze the hands.

 

[tgmer]

I know something is wrong. I can at this stage, lower my right shoulder without using my arm or hand. Doing that, however from the video, I saw my left body moving ahead too to the target. At impact half of my head is to the left (pass the ball), therefore I know I am not doing it right. I don't feel my left shoulder going up at much, may be the move I am doing is wrong.

So, at you said, I should have more left shoulder up while my right shoulder going down. Or also I should feel using, moving my elbow instead, but also wihtout moving my right arm.

Thanks for the big adivse.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by tgmer

I know something is wrong. I can at this stage, lower my right shoulder without using my arm or hand. Doing that, however from the video, I saw my left body moving ahead too to the target. At impact half of my head is to the left (pass the ball), therefore I know I am not doing it right. I don't feel my left shoulder going up at much, may be the move I am doing is wrong.

So, at you said, I should have more left shoulder up while my right shoulder going down. Or also I should feel using, moving my elbow instead, but also wihtout moving my right arm.

Thanks for the big adivse.

Think elbow going low. Lowering the arm might just release Power Acc#1, the right bent elbow if done wrong. Elbow going low infront of your body, right thigh, will tilt you - driving the left shoulder upward. Now groove it.

 

[hue]

quote:Originally posted by hue

Brian: In these pics of Tiger at address and impact.

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80234/1/2799814

Woods has increased his axis tilt not only by shifting his hips left but also moving his head further away from the target than it was at address . This is the kind of thing a hammer thrower does to get maximum power in the release. Do you like to see this or do you prefer the head to be in the same relative position it had at address? Thanks.