B/A pics since reading Brian's setup article

[budsweatandtees]

I posted my swing sequence in the video forum and it was noted that my posture sucked and I needed to read Brian's setup article. Well, it's a great read and I think I made a dramatic change in ONE range trip. There's still A LOT of work to be done, but it's nice to see some positive changes both in my ballflight and on vidoe. I'm able to maintain my posture much better as well. I did hit some thin shots though which is from the tendency to standup on a shot because of a lack of spacing. Anyways, thanks everyone here for your help as well as many on the FGI site including Redgoat, golfpilgrim, Pole_Position, Shag, ssgolf, CrimsonTider (you'll uderstand the list of names later on down this thread). Thanks Brian for the article and here's some pics...


SETUP BEFORE

SETUP AFTER

DOWNSWING BEFORE

DOWNSWING AFTER (Still steep, but I have a lot more room and less throwaway)

IMPACT BEFORE (Thicik yellow line is the tush line established at address, thin is a line from the butt of the club to the ground.)

IMPACT AFTER (Wow, what a difference)

FOLLOW-THROUGH BEFORE

FOLLOW-THROUGH AFTER

FINISH BEFORE

FINISH AFTER

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hooray!!!!

and congrads!

 

[leegee38]

Good job, BST. Can you describe how and where the setup "feels" different to you? Like, do you feel like you are a long way from the ball and reaching for it? Just curious ... Thanks!

 

[budsweatandtees]

I actually feel like I'm taller over the ball like I'm on top of it more. I don't feel like I'm reaching at all. Prior to the change, I was force to come out of my posture at impact because I was so cramped and now I still have that tendency, but being that I have the correct spacing, I'll hit a thin shot if I do it. By correcting my posture, it forced me to keep my spine angle which is clearly seen in the impact pictures.

I'm amazed at the changes correcting my posture made with my entire swing. I also went from spraying the ball to having a consistent right to left ball flight.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

BIG Changes and CONGRATS!

However i really don't think you're that steep into the ball. If you notice, you could draw a straight line from the butt end of the club into the ball WHICH IS GOOD, means you're on plane.

Also at impact your right forearm is now on plane and you have room to straighten it through impact.

Keep up the good work!

 

[budsweatandtees]

Thanks jim_0068. I was hitting some very solid shots and when I got home and compared the sequences, I was flat out shocked at what I saw. Generally, you'll see one or two things improve, but my entire swing looks dramatically better. I actually went back to the range later and worked on my footwork because I was sliding the rear foot and I started clearing the left hip better. The new sequences actually look better than these and the shaft is in a little more towards the right forearm vs the left on the downswing with the shaft pointing dead at the ball. I still have the tendency of hitting thin shots, but as I said, I think that has more to do with breaking the months or years old habit of coming out of the shot. My ballflight which was extremely erratic has become much, much, much more consitent and now I have a repeatable 5 yard draw with a stronger ball flight. The simple fact that I made all these changes in ONE RANGE SESSION is amazing. I've worked for years to improve and I accomplished more in a day than I ever have.

Anyways, thanks everyone that helped me out. I truely appreciate it!

 

[6bee1dee]

Gee, Redgoat got the credit for this on FGI- no mention of Brian's article. No mention Red here. So.... who helped more?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Thin shots can also be the cause of some throwaway, so be careful.

One reason why people like to "stand up" to the ball is because they are timing a flip. Brian explains this in his video. Once you actually setup to the ball better, you have to learn to hit the ball with your hands ahead otherwise you'll hit it fat (if you stay down) or you'll hit it thin (if you stand up.)

 

[budsweatandtees]

"Gee, Redgoat got the credit for this on FGI- no mention of Brian's article. No mention Red here. So.... who helped more?"

No, Redgoat did not get credit. I asked if I was on the right track after his first analysis and discussion that we had of my swing and here is what was written in my post over there....

Here's pics from my first trip to the range after you analyzed my swing. The face is still a little shut, but by correcting my grip and posture, there's definitely some changes for the better especially at address and impact where my tush-line is maintained much better. I had the tendency to hit thin shots, but I think that is because I was so use to standing up out of the shot because I didn't have any room. My good shots, which the bulk of them were, were pretty much straight or had about 5 yards of draw on them. Anyways, feel free to bust my balls if I'm heading in the wrong direction. Thanks!!!

Brian's article was a huge help for fixing my setup and Redgoat as well as others here and on FGI helped with the swing itself. Are you trying to make an issue out of nothing? In my eyes, I would be insane not to try to take advantage of a resourse like Redgoat. As far as not given Brian credit for his setup article, I just wasn't sure if Brian wanted a million FGI'er over here on his forum as there was a point in time when Brian had some FGI issues and that's why I didn't post a link to Brian's setup article.

 

[budsweatandtees]

"Thin shots can also be the cause of some throwaway, so be careful.

One reason why people like to "stand up" to the ball is because they are timing a flip. Brian explains this in his video. Once you actually setup to the ball better, you have to learn to hit the ball with your hands ahead otherwise you'll hit it fat (if you stay down) or you'll hit it thin (if you stand up.)"

Thanks, I'll remember that.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by budsweatandtees

"Gee, Redgoat got the credit for this on FGI- no mention of Brian's article. No mention Red here. So.... who helped more?"

No, Redgoat did not get credit. I asked if I was on the right track after his first analysis of my swing. Brian's article was a huge help for fixing my setup and Redgoat as well as others here and on FGI helped with the swing itself. Are you trying to make an issue out of nothing? I just wasn't sure if Brian wanted a million FGI'er over here on this forum and that's why I didn't post a link to Brian's setup article.

No, but Brian gets little credit outside his forum. Brian would LOVE a million fgis over here, Maybe they would 'get it' too.

Redgoat is a good guy, we like him a lot. But it just seemed like you avoided who really helped your grip and stance in front of the FGIs. And Yes, Redgoat did a good job with your impact. Good job to both of you.

 

[budsweatandtees]

Alright, now I know and I have ZERO problems with giving Brian his credit. I personally don't think it was a big deal, but if I hurt anyones feeling, then I apologize.

 

[budsweatandtees]

The FGI thread officially has a link to Brian's setup article and EVERYONE has now received credit for helping! Once again, thanks everyone. Your advice was greatly appreciated.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by budsweatandtees

Alright, now I know and I have ZERO problems with giving Brian his credit. I personally don't think it was a big deal, but if I hurt anyones feeling, then I apologize.

Hey, if anything Manzella is pissed at me by now. Nobody gets hurt feelings, especially the Stallion over this. Wrong side of the bed kinda thing with me but I do feel that sometimes this forum, Brian and TGM in general gets litte or no credit in the big world. Brian does good work, folks should know over at the FGI- Brian has a history over there. LOL.

Keep up the good work. Stay down and through the ball.

 

[DDL]

How were you able to remain on the tush line? By simply neutralizing your grip and rotating the forearms more on the backswing, as you and Redgoat discussed on FGI? So these changes forced you to rotate more through impact to stay on the tush line?

I got the same posture problems you had. I'll have to redigest Brian's setup article .

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee
Brian does good work, folks should know over at the FGI- Brian has a history over there. LOL.

Ya man go to freegolfinfo.com and do a search on "manzella"...do an author search and just a normal search.

They really gave him a hard time...it's funny.

 

[Brian Manzella]

I'm just happy I helped another golfer.

Doesn't matter to me if they got help somewhere else also.

FGI was the greatest thing that EVER happened to my career.

 

[budsweatandtees]

"How were you able to remain on the tush line? By simply neutralizing your grip and rotating the forearms more on the backswing, as you and Redgoat discussed on FGI? So these changes forced you to rotate more through impact to stay on the tush line?"

No, it didn't force me to do anything. I think it was two things that helped me. First, by using Brian's setup which gave me more spacing to swing the club, I was able to stay down easier. Second, by getting the clubface open by fixing my grip and adding some forearm rotation, I was able to stay down without hitting a snap hook. There were a couple of other key things that I picked up on from other posters, but those two ideas gave me a good idea of the areas I needed to focus on first and it has worked EXTREMELY WELL. I'm beginning to get more and more comfortable and today was one of the purest ballstriking days that I've had in a very long time.

 

[budsweatandtees]

"Doesn't matter to me if they got help somewhere else also."

That's the way I see it. The help is out there and I took it upon myself to try to get some. If I can get 10 pieces to the puzzle from 10 different people and it helps my game, why should anyone care.

Anyways, thanks for the site Brian. There's a wealth of information here and it's setup wonderfully.

 

[Mathew]

I have a feeling from looking at the sequence you would do well to understand what the orbiting clubhead must do through impact.

I think you may appreciate this better if I do a little exercise for you - get a cd and a piece of paper just big enough to put it on and just that to draw a circle on the paper.

Now draw a center and a radius (representing the left arm) heading straight towards the ground.... this is the low point of your stroke......

Now from that center of the circle (which is the left shoulder btw) draw another radius just before the ground to simulate impact point.... and then a line between those two points.

Now tilt this sheet of paper on an angle - do you notice that to have a correct impact from the golfers view you have to hit the ball inside - out and not like those idiots on the golf channel say in-to-in (unless impact actually is low point).

Hit the inside quadrant of the ball....