Backswing shoulder turn....

[Bill Miracle]

should it be level for all clubs or just longer clubs??

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The more level the shoulder turn, the easier it is to get the right shoulder to go downplane.

 

[Burner]

The more level the shoulder turn, the easier it is to get the right shoulder to go downplane.

Jim, can you define "level" because I do not see too many Pros whose left shoulder does not dip (move to a position lower than the right shoulder) on the back swing and then raise (move to a level above that of the right shoulder), with the right shoulder then driving down plane, on the down swing.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, can you define "level" because I do not see too many Pros whose left shoulder does not dip (move to a position lower than the right shoulder) on the back swing and then raise (move to a level above that of the right shoulder), with the right shoulder then driving down plane, on the down swing.

Sure, this is somewhere where i don't quite understand the "level" versus the "rotated shoulder turn."

Because imo (and brian can come yell at me) it seems as if almost all pro's who make a really nice backswing have their shoulders RELATIVELY close to 90* to their spines which is what i try and strive for.

My advice is to always just try and make it as flat or level as you can WITHOUT swaying off the ball.

A good way to know what "flat enough is" is this drill that i made up for a student once:

Stand perfectly straight and turn your shoulders 70-90 degrees (depends on your flexibility). Then i'd tell them to bend from their hips until i told them to stop (i was judging their waist bend based on what club we were working on). Then i'd take a pic with my phone camera and show them, that's a level turn.

Hopefully that made sense.

 

[Burner]

Sure, this is somewhere where i don't quite understand the "level" versus the "rotated shoulder turn."

Because imo (and brian can come yell at me) it seems as if almost all pro's who make a really nice backswing have their shoulders RELATIVELY close to 90* to their spines which is what i try and strive for.

My advice is to always just try and make it as flat or level as you can WITHOUT swaying off the ball.

A good way to know what "flat enough is" is this drill that i made up for a student once:

Stand perfectly straight and turn your shoulders 70-90 degrees (depends on your flexibility). Then i'd tell them to bend from their hips until i told them to stop (i was judging their waist bend based on what club we were working on). Then i'd take a pic with my phone camera and show them, that's a level turn.

Hopefully that made sense.

Thanks Jim.

I think some distinction between "flat" and "level" needed to be made as I was taking them both to be roughly the same.

Just a question of terminology rather than methodology; and I get it now.

 

[tchilds]

My problem seems to be that in trying to turn level, my right hip turns (maybe too much) as well, which I believe straightens my right knee TOO much and keeps my weight from getting to my right side. I won't say it's a reverse pivot because it's not, I've seen enough tape to know that. BUT, it seems to not allow me to fully get my weight over...any tips for that???