Bad Pull draws

[wanole]

They're back. About threw my clubs in the water the other day. I go to Doral last month and shoot a 79 then play Orange county national this week and shoot 90+. Pulls draw on all my irons and fairways woods. This has crept into my swing over the last few years. roundhousing again.

Should I try and hit balls to right field even though I can't, until I do? I think that is what Brian had me do until I could.

Nothing like hitting a wedge 20 yrds left of target. UGH.

 

[Perfect Impact]

If you fail to move your weight ON TO your left femur and heel, you have no choice. Wherever your weight is located at impact, THAT determines the hinge of your body rotation--so leaving it on the right foot means you rotate on that side of your body. So weight back on right foot long into the downswing dooms you to a pull since tangent to an arc around the RIGHT side of your body for a ball LEFTER than that on the ground IS to the left.

The remedy may be simply TO WAIT LONG ENOUGH AT THE TOP, AT THE TRANSITION, for your weight SIMPLY TO FALL BACK TO YOUR LEFT FOOT - hip moving to the left while the center located between your shoulder blades in your BACK, remains stationary/steady. THEN you can NOT swing over the top, since that hip slide to the left DROPS your right shoulder.

Of course you share responsibility for NOT MOVING YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER LEVEL OUTWARD TOWARDS A WALL BUILT on the target line. You are not a victim: move your right shoulder DOWN PLANE after your weight shift gets under way. This "starts the bullet" in the right direction.

 

[Ricky1990]

My coach had the pull draws when i played with him and he had his weight WAY on his toes at set up and that causes big pull draws.

Make sure your weight isnt to much on your toes at set up. Maybe hit shots with your weight on your heels and see if that helps?

 

[ThomasTheTank]

The remedy may be simply TO WAIT LONG ENOUGH AT THE TOP, AT THE TRANSITION, for your weight SIMPLY TO FALL BACK TO YOUR LEFT FOOT - hip moving to the left while the center located between your shoulder blades in your BACK, remains stationary/steady. THEN you can NOT swing over the top, since that hip slide to the left DROPS your right shoulder.

Interesting idea. I was playing about with this yesterday as Ive been overdrawing the longer clubs and think its because im hung on my right side. Its a delicate balancing act because if I get on to my left side too fast I get stuck way inside and hit big pushes and blocks

By just feeling like I paused at the top for a second the weight seemed to naturally want to re-centre from my right foot back towards my left (almost a little bounce or rebound from the coil). From there I threw everything left of the target and was hitting it straight. Strange sensation and takes some trust to allow yourself to do it with a driver. The feeling I had was leaving my hands at the top for a split second and nothing else. No forced body motion, just letting nature recentre the weight all on its own. Perhaps this had me float loading some too (but I dont know enough to be sure) but I could feel the lag on my right forefinger a little better

 

[Perfect Impact]

We admire Couples and Els especially for their rhythm: THIS is their secret: cooperating with gravity at ITS pace, not forcing a body shift to the left. Intuitively EVERYONE RECOGNIZES the harmony and perfection of that procedure, hence the nearly universal admiration for their swings.

The layman doesn' t know WHY a beautiful symphony is beautiful: he knows it IS; the professional could tell him WHY it is.

The layman golfer doesn't know WHY such swings as FC's and EE's are great; the professional aware of gravity and ITS NATURAL RATE WHICH YOU DO WELL TO COOPERATE WITH can splain why!

 

[ThomasTheTank]

Beautifully put

Question is how to work on, ingrain and trust this motion, where to feel it etc

The feeling I had was in my feet, especially the heels, feeling my hands load weight into the right heel at the top and then the pause - pushing weight back into the left heel ( as the centre of gravity rebalanced itself and my body rebounded from the coil - like bouncing off an invisible wall).

I was working on trying to time things such that as soon as I felt the weight come back on to the left heel I would swing hard left. Of course this was only a fraction of a second as my upper body and hands stayed where they were but this straightened out my ball flight no end. Indeed the better I got at it (during that session) I went back to a quick transition and a hit from the top and started getting hooky again

Of course the session this morning I lost that timing again and had to hit a bucket of balls to get it back. Suspect it will take a while for me to trust it and have the feet and hands 'talking' to each other

 

[Perfect Impact]

The core issue is TO WAIT LONG ENOUGH before swinging down: because weight needs TIME to fall, like a tree that has been cut: it starts to fall ever so gradually. Or think of the very very long time a playground swing hovers at turnaround. Mom NEVER shoves it until it starts down OF ITS OWN ACCORD, and then she HELPS it: she doesn't JOLT it.

 

[wanole]

thanks

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Wanole

Think these 3 woods to start your downswing:

Left Shoulder Up

 

[Perfect Impact]

or "RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN." or "LEFT HIP LEFT" - some people relate to different body parts each of which swing thought accomplishes exactly the same thing. I like "down" better than up, since when I DO pull up, I yank the whole thing up and top the ball.

 

[Brian Manzella]

On second thought....

Why would a good player--such as wanole---hit pull draws???

What if he didn't release his #4 accumulator angle EARLY ENOUGH?

Wouldn't the shoulders CARRY the arms with them with the result being PULL-SOMETHINGS?

Try this:

Hit some shots where you STOP your chest when it gets back to facing the ball, and allow your arms to swing past you.

Do that and report back with whether the ball went MORE LEFT.

I have a hunch...

 

[rundmc]

Why would a good player--such as wanole---hit pull draws???

What if he didn't release his #4 accumulator angle EARLY ENOUGH?

Wouldn't the shoulders CARRY the arms with them with the result being PULL-SOMETHINGS?

Try this:

Hit some shots where you STOP your chest when it gets back to facing the ball, and allow your arms to swing past you.

Do that and report back with whether the ball went MORE LEFT.

I have a hunch...

Nice post! The accumlators by definition have to release . . . and the number 4 is of course The Master Accumulator . . . If it don't release you are OVER.

Eddie Cox calls this "hands staying too high."

Me Likey.

 

[wanole]

ok....which is #4?

Brian......I will do what you say, BUT I have one question. I have been working for a while now on the full swivel wedding ring up thing and do it with all my clubs except woods (because it's duck hook). I have the problem of flipping where when my hands point at say just left of my left foot after impact my clubhead is already pointing at the target. This is even when I work on full roll. (don't know how to get it to stay on target line longer for the life of me).

Now to my question. If I do as you say and let the arms go by which I will do no matter what , I worry will happen, won't it cause my flipping problem to be compounded? If not can you explain why after I report back?

I am so desperate to get my club pointing at the target line after impact like the hogan sequence you did in frame 10.


Something which I found interesting the other day watching ESPN baseball tonight. They were talking about AROD slumping and were talking about him pulling off the ball. They showed a still of him at impact position and the analyst said see how his right arm is already straight and and not bent as it should be and thus he can reach the ball, so he pulls off of it. I got this huge grin on my face and just thought about how I learned that in the golf swing (even though I do what AROD does) on this site. Now just to correct it.

 

[Perfect Impact]

Wouldn't stopping the chest, i.e., stopping the shoulders pulling the arms, be equivalent to turning off the speedboat motor and asking the crew to pull the waterskier's rope? Seems to me you would want connection from hips to clubhead withOUT a disconnection of the original source of power (the legs).

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hmmm...

Wouldn't stopping the chest, i.e., stopping the shoulders pulling the arms, be equivalent to turning off the speedboat motor and asking the crew to pull the waterskier's rope? Seems to me you would want connection from hips to clubhead withOUT a disconnection of the original source of power (the legs).

Does seem like it, doesn't it?

;P

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hide and Go Seek?

ok....which is #4?

Brian......I will do what you say, BUT I have one question. I have been working for a while now on the full swivel wedding ring up thing and do it with all my clubs except woods (because it's duck hook). I have the problem of flipping where when my hands point at say just left of my left foot after impact my clubhead is already pointing at the target. This is even when I work on full roll. (don't know how to get it to stay on target line longer for the life of me).

Now to my question. If I do as you say and let the arms go by which I will do no matter what , I worry will happen, won't it cause my flipping problem to be compounded? If not can you explain why after I report back?

I am so desperate to get my club pointing at the target line after impact like the hogan sequence you did in frame 10.


Something which I found interesting the other day watching ESPN baseball tonight. They were talking about AROD slumping and were talking about him pulling off the ball. They showed a still of him at impact position and the analyst said see how his right arm is already straight and and not bent as it should be and thus he can reach the ball, so he pulls off of it. I got this huge grin on my face and just thought about how I learned that in the golf swing (even though I do what AROD does) on this site. Now just to correct it.

This right arm straightening too fast MIGHT be it.

But try the shoulder stop trick first...

...I am doing a little find and seek, ya see?

 

[Ricky1990]

Goosen was hitting loads of big pull draws lately and his problem is weight is on his toes at set up, are you sure its not something as simple as that? Because you dont want to get all technical and then bugger somethign else up when it might just be a fundamental out of place!

 

[wanole]

k..I will try and hit the range tomorrow.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Goosen was hitting loads of big pull draws lately and his problem is weight is on his toes at set up, are you sure its not something as simple as that? Because you dont want to get all technical and then bugger somethign else up when it might just be a fundamental out of place!

Goosen plays a pull draw, always.

 

[bts]

They're back. About threw my clubs in the water the other day. I go to Doral last month and shoot a 79 then play Orange county national this week and shoot 90+. Pulls draw on all my irons and fairways woods. This has crept into my swing over the last few years. roundhousing again.

Should I try and hit balls to right field even though I can't, until I do? I think that is what Brian had me do until I could.

Nothing like hitting a wedge 20 yrds left of target. UGH.

Pull draw/hook: clubhead path "inside-out" plus clubface "square" at impact and "close" at separation.

Push fade/slice: clubhead path "outside-in" plus clubface "square" at impact and "open" at separation.

Straight: clubhead path "inside-in (or straight)" plus clubface "open (or square)" at impact and "square" at separation.