Ball position

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Is ball position critical? Does it have to be just inside say the left shoulder? I love this swing but after 20 years of playing the ball in the middle of my stance, I keep comming over to get to the ball or sometimes hitting it fat. If it's critical for consistency and long term quality golf then I will keep working on it. If it's not then I'll keep it where it is because I'm hitting the ball sweet right now.
 

Garth

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My 2 cents is that if you are hitting it good from middle of your stance, then it's all good. Maybe you're a bit off "scientifically", but who cares.
 

Brian Manzella

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Without changing your aiming point, you HAVE TO move the ball slightly back with each club because of the club's sweetspot not being in the same place relative to the shaft's centerline.

And the shaft being shorter and the shaft being stiffer.

Of course Moe Norman, Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller and Ben Hogan ALL played every shot just inside of the left heel and low point.

Of course, there are teachers out there who this idea totally offends.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

Without changing your aiming point, you HAVE TO move the ball slightly back with each club because of the club's sweetspot not being in the same place relative to the shaft's centerline.

And the shaft being shorter and the shaft being stiffer.

Of course Moe Norman, Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller and Ben Hogan ALL played every shot just inside of the left heel and low point.

Of course, there are teachers out there who this idea totally offends.

Remember that even though the ball is placed just inside of the left heel on every shot does not preclude that Ball position is constant. Why? Because Ball position is always relative to Low Point, not your left heel. Your conclusion that because the ball is placed "just inside of the left heel" it is also just inside of low point is a misconception many TGMers have. Brian, you probably wrote this in a hurry and know this already, but I'm going to explain anyway.

Moe Norman, Jack Nicklaus, Johnny Miller and Ben Hogan varied their stance width sufficiently to compensate for the "ball just inside left heel" position so that the ball is placed further and further behind Low Point as the club gets shorter.

To illustrate what I mean, do the following. Stand in a golf like position at address with feet just slightly wider than shoulder width apart. Place a ball opposite your left heel. The ball should now just be under your left shoulder. In other words, the ball should be at Low Point.

Now without moving the ball or your left feet position, move your right foot in, so you narrow your stance significant. Your feet should be about 6 inches apart, like a chipping stance. The ball is still opposite your left heel. However, unlike before, the ball is well behind Low Point.

Ball position has clearly changed!

So unless you teach the same stance width for all shots, and that ball should always be opposite your left heel, you are not teaching a "single ball location" procedure.
 

Brian Manzella

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Leo, you are right of course, I do know this already ;)

BUT!!!

There are many TGMers that STILL Moved the ball way back in their students stances BESIDES the effect of low point moving already because of stance width relative to left shoulder position.

In my nearly 24 years on the lesson tee, and almost 20 since I first really taught G.O.L.F., I have NEVER had to move the ball back or move the head forward to get someone to 'hit down on it.'

So....here is the rule of thumb, if you can reach it at impact fix, with at least most of your head behind the ball, you should be able to 'reach it' at impact.

Personally, when I teach, I also use ball position to influnce plane line (path.
 
Okay I'm starting to get it. I wasn't narrowing my stance enough with the shorter irons and wedges. I've always had too wide a stance and it's just something else I need to work on. Back at it today. Thanks guys!
 

Garth

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Brian, since you seem to be a big advocate of axis tilt, doesn't that influence the low point? It would seem that the more tilt you have and the higher the left shoulder gets, that the low point would move backwards.
 

Brian Manzella

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quote:Originally posted by Garth

Brian, since you seem to be a big advocate of axis tilt, doesn't that influence the low point? It would seem that the more tilt you have and the higher the left shoulder gets, that the low point would move backwards.

IF you do it wrong (head backward on the downswing, instead of tailbone forward).
 

Garth

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

quote:Originally posted by Garth

Brian, since you seem to be a big advocate of axis tilt, doesn't that influence the low point? It would seem that the more tilt you have and the higher the left shoulder gets, that the low point would move backwards.

IF you do it wrong (head backward on the downswing, instead of tailbone forward).

So you're saying that the farther your tailbone gets, the higher the lead shouler can be (or lower the back shoulder) and still keep the same low point?
 
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