Ballard's connected left arm

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Tball88

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I was watching some clips of Jimmy Ballard and I began thinking, is Jimmy Ballard's left elbow down, connected left arm, horizontal hinging, and Brian's wedding ring up, really all the same concept?

The more I watch Ballard's teachings, the more he makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure I agree with his hip movement, I can see how it could be misconstrued and make some people sway.

It's also interesting how he talks about tucking the left elbow in, and how he says that controls the face. Seems to me, that the motion creates a horizontal hinge action, and if you let the left elbow get away from the body, you're going to create an angled or vertical hinge.

Just my random thoughts for the day...
 
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Brian Manzella

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Elbow Down.

Ballard's "through-the-ball" elbow down recommendation, is something most players would benefit from. So would his backswing Pivot ideas.

The rest? Not as good.

Wedding Ring Up is a little different from a Ballard swivel though. ;)
 
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I think that his ideas work well. Some might get into trouble with his whole "there are no angles in the golf swing" mantra. I think he teaches an every man's swing...Very utilitarian. LOL at the CUrtis Strange video I have with him wearing neon colored tights....
 
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If I were guessing, Brian might not agree with Jimmy about axis tilt. From wht I can tell Jimmy believes in absolutely no axis tilt.
 
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he also says your shoulders should be level, which is just plane wrong.

my other real problem is that he basically teaches the exact same pattern to every student. we know this wont work with everyone
 
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self-mastery said:
I think that his ideas work well. Some might get into trouble with his whole "there are no angles in the golf swing" mantra. I think he teaches an every man's swing...Very utilitarian. LOL at the CUrtis Strange video I have with him wearing neon colored tights....
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Holy cow, I have that tape as well. My dad saw it in a gas station and bought it for me like 6 years ago! So Strange was taught by Ballard?
 
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Jared Willerson

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You can "overdo" Ballard to the point of absurdity...IMO...especially the sway backswing pivot. I agree it would help someone with a reverse pivot, but if you pivot "exactly" as he says then all of your weight will be on right foot, so much so, that you could stand on it

Brian's pivot, although maybe influenced by Ballard, is much better.

Most of Ballards other "denominators" are not very good.
 
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glcoach said:
You can "overdo" Ballard to the point of absurdity...IMO...especially the sway backswing pivot. I agree it would help someone with a reverse pivot, but if you pivot "exactly" as he says then all of your weight will be on right foot, so much so, that you could stand on it

Brian's pivot, although maybe influenced by Ballard, is much better.

Most of Ballards other "denominators" are not very good.
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one of my favourite golf quotes ever is a Ballad one.

"for years i've been teaching to coil into the right side and was told i was teaching a sway. no those teachers are teaching to coil into the right side and now THEIR teaching a sway!!"

ballad does like a steeper shoulder turn and says you must not get your weight onto the outside of your right foot in order to prevent players swaying off the ball
 
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Tball88 said:
If I were guessing, Brian might not agree with Jimmy about axis tilt. From wht I can tell Jimmy believes in absolutely no axis tilt.
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I think that contrived motion is the destroyer of many golf swings: Forced axis tilt, position golf, over-pivoting, and trying to hold the angle... Wind it up, put your mind in the clubface, and let it loose.

I plan on writing a golf book based on a theory that I would like to test. I want a test sample of 10 young girls that have never played golf, and 10 old ladies. I know the secret to playing quality of golf!!! Only 10 payments of $19.99.

I like Ballard, and used a lot of his instruction for my safety pattern...
 
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Ballard is in my top 5, I don't agree with everything he says, but like Brian states, I think his thought on the left elbow probably would help 90% of golfers. I tell you where I've had success with that thought is in putting. He also has good ideas on getting down the plane line.

I'd put Ballard head and shoulders above Haney, Leadbetter, Flick, and some of the other big names.

Let me also give credit to one Brian Manzella. A lot of instructors don't have the balls to let others pro's be discussed on his site and Brian does. It's one of the things that makes Brian one of the best...
 
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Jared Willerson

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I like Ballard......for the most part...but I think his stuff about level shoulders and throw from the top are dead wrong.

When it was going well, I striped it with that pattern. I also played "alternate shot" a lot too..pull....push...pull.....push....
 
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self-mastery said:
I think that contrived motion is the destroyer of many golf swings: Forced axis tilt, position golf, over-pivoting, and trying to hold the angle... Wind it up, put your mind in the clubface, and let it loose.
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S-M...what is forced axis tilt...?

I plan on writing a golf book based on a theory that I would like to test. I want a test sample of 10 young girls that have never played golf, and 10 old ladies. I know the secret to playing quality of golf!!! Only 10 payments of $19.99.

I like Ballard, and used a lot of his instruction for my safety pattern...
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What is your infomercial secret........? Your safety pattern? You know you will make nothing on this tripe...!!
 
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