Basic Motion, Acquired motion

[tbarbertab]

Can someone please define Basic Motion and Acquired motion? I see both these terms referred to on this and other sites but can't find the definitions. Can't find it in the book either...

Thanks

 

[Martee]

Book definition 12-5-1 and 12-5-2

Basic Motion is the club traveling about 2 feet in either direction, Zero out pivot turn, shoulder turn and acc #3.

Acquired motion is right forearm travels no more than parallel to the ground in either direction. Zero pivot except for shoulder turn, add acc#3 and the needed shoulder turn.

These parallel what Ben advocates with the chip, pitch and punch.

The book list which components are involved.

 

[tbarbertab]

Thanks Martee...got it!

 

[Brian Manzella]

Well..

Ben's Chip, Pitch & Punch, is Ben's procedure for short shots that grow into long ones.

He is sooooooooooo good at them, it is BEYOND Tour caliber.

But thet are very different than the book version of BAsic and Aquired motion.

They ARE both designed to do the same thing, and in my opinion, Ben's version is more "golf like" and more "Orthodox" and even more "conventional," for people who love to hear me use those terms.

I have my own ways of going from point A- HACKER to point B- STRIKER, but I do use Ben's shots soem of the time.

 

[tbarbertab]

I have my own ways of going from point A- HACKER to point B- STRIKER, but I do use Ben's shots soem of the time.

Brian,

Can you elaborate on your methods in this regard, since I'm "hacking" a little at the moment

 

[golfbulldog]

Ben's Chip, Pitch & Punch, is Ben's procedure for short shots that grow into long ones.

He is sooooooooooo good at them, it is BEYOND Tour caliber.

But thet are very different than the book version of BAsic and Aquired motion.

They ARE both designed to do the same thing, and in my opinion, Ben's version is more "golf like" and more "Orthodox" and even more "conventional," for people who love to hear me use those terms.

I have my own ways of going from point A- HACKER to point B- STRIKER, but I do use Ben's shots soem of the time.

Homer's basic motion ( with ZERO PIVOT ) is rarely done IMHO.... most videos of people "doing it" invariably have some pivot in there... It has a certain G.O.L.F. purity in that it uses only one accumulator ( number 4) and one can rehearse alignments BUT ( big BUT) is not very golf like. It gives little sense of lag pressure , which, being one of TGMs real gems, is a bad way (IMHO) to start TGM.

Ben's CHIP PITCH (and to be honest most peoples demo of the basic motion ZERO pivot..) has a bit of pivot and accumulator 3... at last you can feel some pp3 load and understand what it is you are supposed to sustain... you need your pivot to do it...

CHIP PITCH gives you lag sensation and alignments ( but for Homer i guess he liked the purity of keeping the arm accumulator seperate from the hand accumulators...but it feels less golf like... unless you do it hitting in which case hitting zero pivot basic motion feels like mini hitting but then i guess you are using accumulators 1 and 4 anyway?

Now i'm confused... but the thing i found was that chip pitch gives you more of TGM in a nutshell than pure basic motion... ie. forget the zero pivot bit.

 

[golfer24]

Agree with that Bulldog. If you zero out the hand accumalators in basic motion and have a zero pivot then you can use 4 or 1 but not both at the same time. Only AI i have seen who demonstrates this with zero #3 and no pivot is Tom Tomasello in his studio which i am sure you have seen also.

I personally prefer the way Ben Doyle teaches it. He states "every stroke has a pivot"