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Brian Manzella

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That's what they used to say about Paul "Bear" Bryant.

That's what happened the other day with me as well.

After the "Stack & Tilt" article, lots of poor folks think that the "Golfing Machine" swing is the S&T.

So, last week, I got a call from a man who wanted a "Stack and Tilt" lesson. He "figured" :rolleyes: that since it was THE Golfing Machine swing, and I was the closest Golfing Machine-teacher, he would get a Stack & Tilt lesson.

Guess what?

He did.

I taght him that pattern, and to be honest, I think it was a better S&T lesson than even the "boys" could have given.

You think the reverse would happened?
 
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Brian Manzella said:
I taght him that aptterm, and to be honest, I think it was a better S&T lesson than even the "boys" could have given.

You think the reverse would happened?
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Yes, I think the 'boys', if asked, would say that they gave a better lesson even using another's technique.
If they share your confidence, then I believe that's what they would say.
 
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Ha......so why did you wnd up giving him this lesson?

Did he just really want it that bad or did he just happen to fall to the NHA side? (OF THE MATRIX)
 
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tongzilla said:
brian, i assume you gave your pupil the S&T because it's the best thing for HIM.
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Agree with tongzilla, for his sake I hope it suited him. Brian, I know that being able to give the competitions lesson better than they can is part of your philosophy, but you really have to be careful with this flavor of the month golf magazine crap. How many poorly fed driving range pros will be tempted to teach this because it's what the student is asking about? It is not, however, the fault of the student. More like the culture of golf as a whole.

On the other hand, I've done enough research on your stuff to know that the student would go away with better fundamentals than he came with, and I'd guess he will be back for a more conventional lesson before too long. (like when his drives fly knee height).
 
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It's funny. some no name instructor puts up a video on the internet calling it Stack and Tilt, and his video has been watched 3,000 times already. There are a lot of guys excited about this swing, and I would expect you get a lot more interest because of it.
 
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Ha......so why did you wnd up giving him this lesson?
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He was a very high-strung businessman. One who is obviously a boss, and is used to getting what he wants.

I have no problem with giving anyone a lesson on ANYTHING they want.

Usually, people WANT to have me figure out what to do. Like getting your hair cut by Nick Arosio. If you are smart, you leave him the &^%$ alone, and let him do his deal. But if you WANTED a mullet, Nick would cut the best mullet you ever saw.

Same thing.

Did he just really want it that bad or did he just happen to fall to the NHA side? (OF THE MATRIX)
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He could have swung at it more conventional. But, he did fine.
 
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Thesis.

mb6606 said:
Isn't it basically using a rotated versus standard shoulder turn?
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Not quite. There are several components of the pattern, and I am sure its proponents will say there are many variation from there. Good for them. Flexibility is good.

Let me say this, I wouldn't have given the Gofl Digest writer a Stack & Tilt lesson, and his "new" pattern would have been far superior with what I would have done, in my opinion.

The THESIS of this thread was that I, Brian Manzella, having watched many a stack and tilt type lessons in my day, know why they work sometimes and why the don't sometimes. And I have hit a couple 1000 balls doing it a few weeks back, and did my research. That is—the way I see it—my job. I study everyone and everything I feel is worth my time.

I gave this guy a lesson and he was happy with it. I think I would have helped him more with one of my "stock" patterns customized to him, but that's not why he was there.

All I was saying is this:

Leadbetter wouldn't have done it.
Haney, Harmon, Flick, Smith, etc. wouldn't have done it.

And NONE of the above know what I teach. They are too busy getting their Maseratis serviced to spend any time learning and testing MY stuff, or for that matter, Andy and Mike's stuff.

That's it.

Oh, that, and the part about the US TEACHING OPEN that will never happen.
After I either won, or scared the HELL out of would ever did and falling just short, let me say that the most surprised people by my high finish, would be the ones that OUGHT TO know better. ;)
 
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How would a "Stack and TiltER" or someone like one DRAW it?

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I know this pattern is more fade-ish.....(RIGHT SIDE OF THE MATRIX!!!GAHHH!!GH!!).....

And ya.....I have had a hard time with doing it with any kind of consistency (or control).........with this and to some degree also NHA.

On the clubface end.......full rolling just doesn't seem to work well, taking it back more closed seems to give me too much left, and I plain hate closing the clubface at address.

Plane line......well.....I just find it hard to shift it to the right with this swing........closed stance.....closed shoulders........swinging right.....etc. It's all either weird or it doesn't work.

I like hook-proof but it's good to work it both ways too.

-PAUL............
 
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At a used book store I once got a stack of golf magazines that covered 1978 to 1998 (cost about $5). They are good at their job, which is selling magazines to the public. Most of the ideas were simply recycled over time and to teach it month after month you'd just have to learn the new buzzwords. And this (climbs on hobby horse) is how a lot of golf pros operate. Unfortunately.
 
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Stack and Tilt Draw

Birdie Man,

Most of the Stack and Tilt tour players hit small push draw. Wi, Weir, Wilson, Willie Mac hits a pretty good draw.
 
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Really Cope? I did not know that. I woulda thought it tended towards fades.

Now that you have me thinking I know there's another way to control the face.....one way I think of it is as a "hammering the nail" type motion.......but with a grip where, from vertical, the hands are turned to the right. (so the "hammering a nail" motion is up the plane rather than vertical) It's kinda in between the TwistAway and a takeaway where you really roll it open.

I'm pretty sure this would produce a draw for me actually.

I'd rather not have to do it like that really tho.......cause other than drawin it I seem to hit it better right now with a weaker grip.

BTW I'm not doing a "Stack/Tilt".......but to MatrixIFY it all.......it is closer to that side (Never Hook Again) than the draw side (NSA)......and I can't remember if their pattern is bent over but I'm prolly not as bent over.

Brian what do you think of all this jibberish?
 
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