"Belt line at the ball"

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tobell

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Brian Manzella said:
In another thread, I said:

"If I could write down 10 little items on a blank business card, and put them in a Coke bottle, in a time machine, back to the City Park Driving Range Coke machine, where I'd get a coke before my Friday night golf season practice sessions that I religiously did, missing out on parties, etc...

...I might not kick Tiger's butt, but I could handle DiMarco... "​

I thought "the list" would make for a great thread.

Here's the list:


1. Copy EVERY PIECE of Hogan's grip from "5 Lessons" and turn your right hand a hair to the right.

2. Point the butt of the club at your belt buckle and your belt line toward the ball.

3. Copy the hands first "lagging clubhead" takeaway of Bobby Jones. The body pulls the hands. Do it like he does at first, then use just a little of it. But always use some.

4. Right Foot—then backswing. Left Foot—then contact. Swing the club back & forth, back & forth in the same place over and over. Count your feet out. You'll get it.

5. Flat left wrist at the top, like Nicklaus, with the left thumb under. Same flat left wrist and left thumb under as Nicklaus near the target, with the butt of the club pointing to the target.

6. At impact, have your left wrist slightly arched, your right wrist bent, but not as much as at the top, your right arm under the left, your belt buckle left of your hands, your left shoulder more open and more UP than at address, and your tailbone AHEAD OF YOUR NECKBONE!!!!

7. "SWING DEM ORMS"!! And swing the clubhead like Ernest Jones says. When the club is vertical for the last time before impact, POUR ON the right arm, but remember #6.

8. The Ball travels on the "D Plane" until wind and gravity have their effects—if any. The 3 points of the plane are the ball, the path of the clubhead at impact pointing exactly where it was going—up or down, in or out, OUT IN SPACE, and the line drawn by where the clubface is pointing—ala, a lie angle tool—OUT IN SPACE.

9. Perfect a true Ernest Jones-type "pure swinging" pitch shot with your sand wedge.

10. Buy a "TPM 1" style putter. Put like you pitch in #9 with a chip shot style stance. Watch the bottom of the hosel during the strokek and try to trace a straight line as if it were a light.

Never Complain, Beat their ass, shake their hands after.

GO!
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IMO Brian's #2 point...point the belt line toward the ball...is a fundamental second only to the grip...is that why you listed it second?
 
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Steve Hale

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How literally are we talkin bout here? Kevin - Does this need to be a straight line traced from the back of the belt above your rear through the buckle to the ball? Or are we just talkin bout a little tilt so the line would fall just above the ball? For me, I would need to seriously feel like I arch my hips to achieve the former.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Words are IMPORTANT!!!

"Point the butt of the club at your belt buckle and your belt line toward the ball."

Hmmm....


The most important word is "toward."

Not "to."

Got it?
 
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joep said:
Would that be facing the ball at an angle ? Excuse me for not understanding........
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I think it's just "in the direction of." If you got the belt line perpendicular to a line extending from the ball, I doubt you'd be able to move enough to make a swing.
 
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Belt line TOWARD the ball

If one uses Brian's cue, "point the belt line toward the ball", many good things will AUTOmatically occur in their address position. It is a simple tip or suggestion that forces one to look very orthodox and golf like...it DOES NOT require precision..it's a general suggestion.

I started the thread because I was playing with my 13 year old son...he's a very athletic kid who loves team sports...anyway his address position looked funky and I was searching for a single straightforward suggestion that would make him look more orthodox...I found it in Brian's "message in a bottle" thread. As soon as I gave it to my son...bingo he immediately looked orthodox and his ball striking dramatically improved. It's one simple instruction that will put you into a good "orthodox" address position....without turning you into a pretzel..simplicity is the beauty of it...don't complicate it!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Remember it was in a BOTTLE!!!

I wrote the "message" in a way that I could understand it as a 10-12 year old.

Lots of things I read, that I wrote a couple of years back, make me want to do a re-write.

That one, is pretty good, and may be a video one day.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
I wrote the "message" in a way that I could understand it as a 10-12 year old.

Lots of things I read, that I wrote a couple of years back, make me want to do a re-write.

That one, is pretty good, and may be a video one day.
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I re-read your list about every 6 months as a reminder. Here's the part I don't understand:

"5.Flat left wrist at the top, like Nicklaus, with the left thumb under. Same flat left wrist and left thumb under as Nicklaus near the target, with the butt of the club pointing to the target.

6. At impact, have your left wrist slightly arched, your right wrist bent, but not as much as at the top,"

Wouldn't an arched left wrist at impact mean more bent right wrist than at the top, if you have a flat left wrist at top?
 
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joep

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But are you smarter than a 5 yr. old? Sorry for being stupid just asked a question I was trying to get right...joeparr.
 
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It was basically pointing "at the gallery" in front of me.

Too much "water-skiing"....."squatting"...

Basically not enough bending from the hips. (bending from the waist puts more wrinkles in your belly)

I was doing it to make room for my flip. This was the Pre-Twistaway Era in my golf development.

Many flips happening!

I think Brian must describe in NSA (2.0) that he always needs to get slicers to bend over more.

Nowadays I bend over (from the hips) quite a lot more.

Less waterski. More shortstop. (but with my weight well onto the heels)

And for some reason I hit it better (more solid) when I stick my butt out.

I am uncomfortable making an analogy to this one.

(maybe tongzilla will know)

(sorry Leo...!)
 
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Used to be somewhat like this guy, before he biffed:

bare_water_skiing.jpg


:D:)
 
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