Ben Doyle

[Jim Cook]

I just received a copy of Ben's new desk top sized Facts and Illusion mat.
I love it. It presents all the items that I'm trying to keep straight in one place. It's kind of a "table of contents" for me.

I would like to see more reference to the mat when we are discussing verious items of the swing. There is so much here. It would also be very interesting to reference items on the map with chapters and paragraphs in the yellow book.

For anyone who has it and has studied it deeply I would like to ask a question. There are several lines in the main drawing that I'm not sure of. One of those lines is labeled "Basic Inclined Plane Angle of Clubshaft at Address #3". It was quickly clear to me that "#3" refers to box 3 above titled "Adjusted Address", but what is the line showing in the main drawing? The clubshaft does not appear to the golfer as if it is at the same angle as this line when it is at address.

 

[Michael Jacobs]

If you drop the club down from adjusted address it would drop down on that line.. The main drawing (lines and arcs) are the inclined plane on the ground (visual equivelants) The blue lines represent club shaft angles

 

[Jim Cook]

If you drop the club down from adjusted address it would drop down on that line.. The main drawing (lines and arcs) are the inclined plane on the ground (visual equivelants) The blue lines represent club shaft angles

Thanks for your reply. I can see that the arcs are the path of the clubhead projected down on to the matt on the ground.

But, the Basic Inclined Plane Angle of Clubshaft at Address is a static position and happens at Address and is shown as a shaft pointing at the ball. One shaft is at illusion at impact, another at the illusion at address and the third at the actual position at address, all three shafts projected down from the player point of view to the ground or matt.

I'm still missing it.

 

[cmartingolf]

Me too

Jim, I just got the same mat for my desk...love it and have the same question.. I even bought the DVD for the mat which is AWESOME. I'm sure BM knows what the dashed blue lines represent.

 

[Michael Jacobs]

Dotted blue line represents angle of a shift a higher plane

 

[Jim Cook]

Dotted blue line represents angle of a shift a higher plane

Boy am I dense today. Please go slow with me.

You say " Dotted blue line represents angle of a shift a higher plane" . What angle? Measured from what to what? Where is the plane shown? A single line cannot represent a plane. Two lines or a line and a point or three points can represent a plane.

I suspect I'm making this too difficult for myself and it is very simple.

I'm assuming you ment "to" a higher plane.

cmartingolf, maybe with xplosivegolf's help we can uncover the mystery of the dotted blue line.
Could you explain a little further what is on the DVD? Does Ben go through each if the items on the matt?

 

[Brian Manzella]

From Memory

I don't have the mat in front of me....but:

Solid Blue Line is te elbow Plane and DASHed Blue Line is the Turned Shoulder Plane.

The lines are what the SHAFT looks like on the ground—elbow, and the line—dashed—that the elbow FOLDS on, which is the Turned Shoulder Plane on Ben's mat, and is always very close in the real world.

 

[Jim Cook]

Ahhh......I think I got it.

These are what the paths of the elbows and the hands look like projected on the ground. Simple, important and effective, GREAT!

Thanks Brian, Xplosive Golf and Cmartingolf.