ben hogan finds "center" and eye dominance

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Here's an article I've bookmarked for some time. With the talk of eye dominance and its role, thought this article might get juices flowing a bit more. Oh, that international man of mystery...!



Golf: Find Center - Enter the Circle



Introduction





In golf, the implications of finding “center” could be in the arena of the individuals physical prowness. Or, could it be that in finding “center” in golf and golf activity as a group, a catalyst in redeeming favorable social chacteristics that society cherishes be found? Can we find an environmental “center”, in golf, as refuge that endures and sustains the higher good and higher Self, such as the American Indian had done entering the sweat lodge? Is not there a thread of connectedness between the family, the tribe, and the nation seeking harmony and equality reflected in golf’s foursomes and the golf games natural environment, plus life skills that endevors to assimilate the mindfulness accrued from golf activity, for the collective- the family?



Peter Kessler’s article, Masters ignited Hogan’s Fabulous 53, Golfweek Magazine, Apr. 5, 2003, after picking fun of the film industry miscasting and bungling any possible mindfulness in three movie catagories: “Follow the Sun”, "The Babe Ruth Story", and "The Legend of Bagger Vance", Peter acknowledged a successful depiction of Hogan’s athletic greatness in the movie "Follow the Sun", but from a undertaking that’s labled a film failure. The greatest of athletes are those best “centered”, and Ben Hogan epitomizes an individual singular effort, comparable of climbing Mt. Everest, understanding the art form - golf.



The timing of Peter Kessler’s article in Golfweek is about the 1953 Masters, and this years Masters is to start the week of April 10th, through Palm Sunday, April 13th. The timing of the Masters Golf Tournament, and Peter Kessler’s article is syncronistic with this book, plus Hogan has been my idol. We are the same size, and my left and right handedness mirrors Hogan, so there is a natural draw, no pun intended.



Peter Kessler says, "Hogan had the unique advantage of being left-handed, so that his dominant hand was closest to the target." This is true, and I may add, "Hogan’s advantage was not only left hand dominance - right hand player, Hogan’s left-eye dominance contributed as much to the backward motion of the golf swing as did the left hand’s contribution being “closest to the target” for the forward motion. From the perspective of yin & yang, energy forces to be found in a circular manner one would observe one would be arriving at “center”.



If the premise were “yang” totally (the rightside), and "yin" totally (the leftside), and the small portion of black (yin) in the white field of yang, the white yang spot in the field of black as is the yin/yang universal symbol, seen primarily in Martial Arts dojo"s, this would represent the left eye dominance of a right hand swing, such as Hogan having a cross over affect - a blend of ambitexterity. The left eye (white dot) would join the black dot emersing itself in the white field, or in this case the right side.



This means Hogan’s eye dominance caused him to begin turning around “center” before the swing motion began. Rotational center in Hogan’s left handedness also had an advantage in the forward motion, as Peter suggests, ....”so that his dominant hand was closest to the target”, or, likewise the advantage in the backward movement, with left eye dominance, as I suggest, ie. the cocking of the head to the right in order to see the ball properly set the stage for maximizing turn around the “center.” One should always seek balance and “center”.



Peter Kessler had discribed in two paragraphs of his article, ...."When he (Hogan) changes his game in 1946", and “ Only Hogan had to completely overhaul his ball-striking technique to be competitive. "It may be, to be competitive", as Peter says, though Hogan, I say, became “centered” to become “competitive” unlike any other, few do! His ÒcenteringÓ was the revamping. Each item as is expressed in the next two paragraphs ie. the negatives and the alterations are intrinsically connected.



Peter comments "The early Hogan swing, in addition to a strong grip, featured splayed feet at address; hands that moved before the clubhead; a right leg that straightened on the backswing; a John Daly-like 45-degree angle at the top; and a club that was rarely on plane...."



"When he changed his game in 1946, Hogan placed his hands in neutral position, the right leg retained its flex, the club never reached parallel and his hands never got higher than the tip of his right shoulder. The clubhead and the hands started back together, the swing plane flattened, the club was slightly laid off and he no longer broke the swing plane with his hands." In other words, Hogan had found "center".



Other "centers" to be found are ongoing. Those found are investigated and a dialogue set-up. The purpose is to live in the moment - design for the future. Could it be, to stay in the present moment to moment, and design for the future, may evolve in progression ie. future moments to advance future design? The design of Transcendental Golf, a golf practice facility - learning “center”, has altered an overview of environmental prerequisites. This internal undertaking equips a golf facility so the environment eases the way to finding "center" paralleling neurolinguistic programming “entering the circle”.



To find "center" one must turn inward. The purpose of this book is to gather and guide beginners as well as experienced golfers to an environment which provides information that extends beyond the physical golf "swing" into social and cultural parts of their lives using the conduit - golf as a metaphor. The possibilities of finding harmony inherent in the game of golf may be a challenge and an education as one directs their inward search for center. Staying present moment to moment we can use our golf experiences by ourselves independent of the group or within a group, and mirror what the Danes had developed over centuries called livskunst---the art of living. In the magazine Science & Spirit, an article, Conspiracy of Good, renowned resilience researcher Emmy Werner conveys an interesting fact that 99% of Danish Jews were still alive when World War II had ended. The entire Danish people were awarded the title of "Righteous Among the Nations".



Doesn’t golf’s environment manifest what the Danes society have developed? It’s a society where people cared about one another, where individual differences were respected, and where self-reliance, cooperation, and good humor were highly valued.



"If we are peaceful,

If we are happy,

We can blossom like a flower,

and everyone in our family,

in our entire society,

will benefit from our peace."



Thich Nhat Hanh

http://www.jtgolf.com/jacks intro.htm
 
Peter Kessler says, "Hogan had the unique advantage of being left-handed, so that his dominant hand was closest to the target."

What do yall think of this?

"When he changed his game in 1946, Hogan placed his hands in a neutral position, the right leg retained its flex, the club never reached parallel and his hands never got higher than the tip of his right shoulder.

Flex? Retained FULLY?

NEVER past parallel? (nuh-uh)

Hands NEVER higher than that? I dunno that's pretty low....
 
All well and good, EXCEPT...

...Mr. Hogan was NOT left handed! He was right handed...he was Right Handed...he was RIGHT HANDED...HE WAS RIGHT HANDED. Now, take all this fancy, high fallutin' stuff and refigure it, 'cause Ben Hogan was not left handed.
 

Brian Manzella

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The Master weighs in....

tourdeep said:
In golf...blah, blah, blah...for the collective- the family?

No.

Peter Kessler

Who cares what HE says? He had the mike, and now...eh...he don't[/QUOTE]

If the premise were “yang” totally (the rightside), and "yin" totally (the leftside), and the small portion of black (yin) in the white field of yang, the white yang spot in the ...This means Hogan’s eye dominance caused him to begin turning around “center” before the swing motion began. Rotational center in Hogan’s left handedness also had an advantage in the forward motion, as Peter suggests, ....

::::Snoring:::::::wake UP Brian....wake UP!:::::::::::

”so that his dominant hand was closest to the target”, ....

As pointed out befor in this thread, and by me in NUMEREOUS OTHER thread and by Woody-B-Dub the HEAD PRO at Shady Oaks....

BEN HOGAN WAS RIGHT HANDED.

;)


Peter comments "The early Hogan swing, in addition to a strong grip, featured splayed feet at address; hands that moved before the clubhead; a right leg that straightened on the backswing; a John Daly-like 45-degree angle at the top; and a club that was rarely on plane...."

"When he changed his game in 1946, Hogan placed his hands in neutral position, the right leg retained its flex, the club never reached parallel and his hands never got higher than the tip of his right shoulder. The clubhead and the hands started back together, the swing plane flattened, the club was slightly laid off and he no longer broke the swing plane with his hands." In other words, Hogan had found "center".

This is the kind of stuff people believe in when they have no friggin' idea what the heck they are talking about.

Hogan's major swing change happened after the wreck.

Before the wreck he was TEARING IT UP. Look it up.

Case closed.

Complete...and utter....J U N K.
 
His biography stated he was natural left-handed but changed to hitting righthanded.

37 wins prior to the accident, 13 wins after while playing no more than 7 tournaments a year. Most of his majors were after
 
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Martee said:
His biography stated he was natural left-handed but changed to hitting righthanded.

37 wins prior to the accident, 13 wins after while playing no more than 7 tournaments a year. Most of his majors were after

I would have to dig up the picture, but from my memory, it showed Hogan filling out a score card right-handed.
 
Signing his name, yes I have only seen pictures with him doing it right handed. I was just pointing out that in his biography they said when he was a kid, he was natural-left handed then changed, long before he became a pro.
 

Brian Manzella

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Martee,

Brent White, Head Professional at Shady Oaks, a junior golfer student of mine and one of my great friends and a member of this forum—Woody-B-Dub, WHO KNEW MR.HOGAN PERSONALLY, confirms what I already knew about Hogan.

Hogan was the littlest guy in the caddy yard and got his arse whipped every day so he was left with "last pick" of the spare clubs, a left handed CLUB.

This is where all the confusion sets in.

But, I have already told you that.

Geez.
 
Brian Manzella said:
Brent White, Head Professional at Shady Oaks, a junior golfer student of mine and one of my great friends and a member of this forum—Woody-B-Dub, WHO KNEW MR.HOGAN PERSONALLY, confirms what I already knew about Hogan.

Hogan was the littlest guy in the caddy yard and got his arse whipped every day so he was left with "last pick" of the spare clubs, a left handed CLUB.

This is where all the confusion sets in.

But, I have already told you that.

Geez.

Well Geez, then Mr Hogan in his own words in Five Lessons, The Modern Fundamentals of Golf on page 30 obviously misspoke.

Page 1 of Power Golf by Hogan.. ???
 
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Brian Manzella

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Herbert Warren Wind

The author made a mistake.

I am right.

Brent is right.

And Hogan is right handed.

And I'll bet high, that if someone else said it, you buy it, lock-stock and barrel.
 
Wikipedia has this reference below mentioning Ben was right handed. I vaguely remember a reference to the 1987 interview referred to in Wikipedia, but I don't remember the source.

Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Though many accounts hold that Hogan was born left-handed, he wrote right-handed, and specifically denied this story in a 1987 interview: "No, that's one of those things that's always been written, but it's an absolute myth."
 
EdStraker said:
Wikipedia has this reference below mentioning Ben was right handed. I vaguely remember a reference to the 1987 interview referred to in Wikipedia, but I don't remember the source.

Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Though many accounts hold that Hogan was born left-handed, he wrote right-handed, and specifically denied this story in a 1987 interview: "No, that's one of those things that's always been written, but it's an absolute myth."

Wikipedia is a source but also in that source under famous left handed persons you will find

Ben Hogan - Played right-handed, but was actually left-handed. When Hogan began his career, he was told that he should golf right-handed, with his left hand leading the swing; supposedly, this would enable him to benefit from the greater strength in his leading hand. If this were true, then all right-handed golfers should play left-handed! In his later years, Hogan remarked that his greatest regret about his career was that he had allowed himself to be talked into playing right-handed.

I am not sure that is our best resource...????
 
Brian Manzella said:
The author made a mistake.

I am right.

Brent is right.

And Hogan is right handed.

And I'll bet high, that if someone else said it, you buy it, lock-stock and barrel.

Guess you are saying Hogan, the author of Power Golf made a mistake on page 1 the first paragraph?

I kind of go with what Hogan worte himself since I wasn't around at that time.

Trivia, natural left handed people have been known to do things with their right hand, including writing, Robert Redford....so I have read.
 

hg

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Looks like Hogan had a right hand and a left hand and used both to swing the club. Didn't he wish though that he had more than 1 right hand?
 
Regardless of what hand he was....

Does it matter in the golf swing?

How much would the left handedness weigh in...and how much would that swing of his weigh in.....hmmm...
 
ditto, birdie...becuz of the topic of conversation on other threads regarding eye dominance and adding in the role of a dominant hand, would this have any impact on what makes the ordinary player great?

and...

Here's the most popular factual golf book ever written that Hogan could have corrected himself. Maybe another one of his ongoing secrets that Hogan wanted. From the book, "I was born left-handed... switched over to do things right handed when I was a boy...stopped being a left handed golfer for commercial conditions...simply no left handed equipment"...tho, his first club was a left handed five iron...

and I believe what Brian has shared with us as well...

so...?
 
Brian Manzella said:
The author made a mistake.

I am right.

Brent is right.

And Hogan is right handed.

And I'll bet high, that if someone else said it, you buy it, lock-stock and barrel.

In 1987 Golf Magazine was celebrating the Centennial of Golf with a monthly conversation with the greats of the game. In the September 1987 issue, Hogan, age 75, was interviewed.

Golf: You were a natural left-hander that took up the game right-handed, weren't you?

Hogan: No. that's one of thoses things that's always been written, but it's absolutely a myth. The truth is, the first club I owned was a left-handed, wooden shafted, rib-face mashie that a fellow gave me, and that's the club I was weaned on. During the mornings, we caddies would bang the ball up and down the practice field until the members arrived and it was time to go to work. So I did all that formative practice left-handed. But, I am a natural right-hander.
 
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