I have tried hitting with my belly,but the darn ball only goes 10 yards. Yeah I agree with you birdie man, both Stadlers would take my money too. One of the guys I work with told that John Daly is now working with Harmon and that he has, wait for it,,,,, shortened his swing. Has anyone else heard about this. Dave PS.....as for the icy stare.It only makes the sheep nervous