Blissful Ignorance...

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One of my assistants in one of the best players in the state. He has a terrific golf swing that, without the benefit of Trackman, is pretty close to zeroing out. He swings terrifically to the left and hits the ball scary straight. He has done all of this without the knowledge of the D Plane and has truly "dug it out of the dirt." He is a big guy, 6'4" and is a very straight driver of the ball, but not terrifically long. His driver swing matches his iron swing nearly identically as he swings both down and to the left. His driver gets a bit "spinny" at times, but in general, he hits the ball 260-270 yds and very straight, good enough to win Section events. He also Monday qualified for his first Nationwide event last summer, made the cut and shot 65 on Sunday...so when I say he's no slouch, I mean it.

My question is, there is no doubt that swinging up on the driver is clearly a means for hitting the ball much farther. But are there players, like Scott, that benefit from having one swing and one thought through the bag rather than shifting there alignment and swing direction to potentially pick up more distance?

All this being said, he is about to become a Head Golf Professional in the next month so his practicing days, like mine, are quickly coming to an end. Either way, its good food for thought.:rolleyes:
 
Thank you, brother. I hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I know I'm new to your site, but I appreciate everything you do and I am already preaching the Gospel of Manzella. I've never been to any of the PGA Teaching Seminars and now I'm extremely glad I never did. Keep up the good work.
 
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One of my assistants in one of the best players in the state. .... He is a big guy, 6'4" and is a very straight driver of the ball, but not terrifically long. His driver swing matches his iron swing nearly identically as he swings both down and to the left.

My question is, there is no doubt that swinging up on the driver is clearly a means for hitting the ball much farther. But are there players, like Scott, that benefit from having one swing and one thought through the bag rather than shifting there alignment and swing direction to potentially pick up more distance?

Interesting observation. Many decades ago, I read an obscure golfswing book that said tall golfers with a steeper swing were good with their shorter clubs but not with their longer clubs, and conversely, short golfers were good with their longer clubs but not as well with their shorter clubs. A generalization made in the 1950s I believe.

It's also acknowledged that a flatter swing is preferred for the driver to gain distance ... and steep swings good for the wedges. I fall into the latter category and have an elegant short game, but I will never conquer the driver.

Also I recall watching an old videotape of Faldo after he and Leadbetter rebuilt his swing. Tall Faldo had a so-called "same swing for all shots", but he was not known for distance off the tee.

It would seem that short and tall golfers must take a different approach to D-plane analyses of their ball trajectory results.
 
I fall into the latter category and have an elegant short game, but I will never conquer the driver.

I have to ask, why are you so insistent that you will never be able to hit the driver like you want, and yet you fawn over your own short game? I highly doubt that either extreme is true.
 
Kevin- yeah, he's from Roanoke, VA. Great player, great mental game.

FYI, I kicked his ass in the Open and haven't let him forget it yet... Unfortunately, I spit the bit with 6 holes to play...something the D Plane can't fix.

Happy Thanksgiving, bud. If you're ever in town, let me know. I'll show you how real hockey is played.
 

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I just saw your scores. Very nice. I putted as if I were blind for 3 entire days. Couldnt understand it at all. I def didnt think 1 over would place me where it did. Scott and I got along well, I like him. I agree, thought he spun his driver a bit much but kept it in front of him for sure. I like Applebrook. Looking forward to Moselem Springs.

I'll take a friendly wager on the final season's standings to be paid on the putting green at Moselem Springs:D
 
You got it. We'll keep it friendly.

BTW, how did you get involved with the Manzella Academy? Are you primarily a teacher? How many guys are Master Instructors? Are you the closest one to Philly? I'm always interested in getting better as a teacher and as a player. I even drove to Syracuse last winter to do a S&T Seminar. That's 6 hours I will never get back.

Lots of questions....
 

Kevin Shields

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I thought you could stay right there in Philly to get S&T at Aronimink? Long story on the Manzella Academy. Short version is a lifelong search for info ended when I found the Italian. Even if he doesnt have the answers, he (and we) know where to look instead of getting bamboozled by all the garbage thats out there.

Looking forward to a great next year.
 
I got roped into a road trip to the Dome in Syracuse last January. The only thing worth going for is the gambling.

I'm actually right next door to Aronimink. I was getting asked to teach people who were interested in S&T for a while, but I think that fad has run its course. I'm always leery about teachers that say you "can't" do something...because at some point in history, somebody has and did it well. Since I've looked into Brian's teaching methods and most importantly the D Plane, its really opened my eyes. I guess everyone has a different "a ha" moment, but I'm a very visual learner and his explanations really made sense to me. More importantly, I was able to test it right away and see that everything he said was true. I'm probably a little like you that I've always questioned "why" and don't take "because that's the way it is" as an answer. Like most of what the PGA teaches, I didn't agree with the Ball Flight Laws, so I didn't teach it to my students. While attaining my PGA status, I asked a lot of questions and didn't really get the answers I was looking for. I think that teachers do a real disservice not taking what the student has, working with it and making them better in less than an hour. There are a lot of people out there (probably most) that want instant gratification and if you can't give it to them, they will go elsewhere. Taking what they have and making them better is not a band-aid. Telling the student to work on something on their own and check back periodically with the understanding that it will take 6 months doesn't work either. Identifying the one root cause of the majority of a student's problems should be a teacher's goal but it takes talent to actually do that. I think method teachers are lazy. They don't have to remember where they left off or where you came from...they just compare you to an ideal and make the adjustment. That was my "a ha" moment. The golf ball doesn't know who you are, what your swing looks like, whether you're ahead of it or behind it. It only understands how its impacted and then it reacts.

I guess I need to read Jorgensen's Physics book, but I'm certain it will be waaaay over my head. I wasn't kidding when I posted that I would love to come up with some Harvey Penick-isms using my newfound knowledge without being the guy that tells you how to build the watch instead of what time it is.
 
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I guess I need to read Jorgensen's Physics book, but I'm certain it will be waaaay over my head. I wasn't kidding when I posted that I would love to come up with some Harvey Penick-isms using my newfound knowledge without being the guy that tells you how to build the watch instead of what time it is.

From Harvey Penick's Little Red Book, page 74:

"The golfing area of the brain is a fragile thing that is terribly susceptible to suggestion. Golfers are gullible."

Make what you will of that, but seeking simplistic answers without understanding and appreciating basic fundamentals only results in ignorance.
 
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I guess its a good thing Harvey didn't put that on the cover.

I will read the book (or attempt to) and hope I comprehend every bit of it. Maybe I will read it the next time I'm on a plane, even though I'm pretty sure I don't understand how something that heavy will ever get off the ground. Then again, I'm pretty gullible.
 
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Next time you're on a plane don't carry any golf balls in your pockets, otherwise when they pat you down they may think you are carrying 'explosive spheres' ... next to your ºUº .... never mind ...:D
 
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