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Brian Manzella

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I have played Pebble Beach and Cypress Point, and it's hard to find any golf course prettier than those.

I have played Old Memorial, Caves Valley, and Oakmont, and it would be hard to find any courses run better than they are.

I have hit balls at Quail Lodge, the PGA Learning Center, and Big Horn, and ranges don't come any better than those.

But the most fun I have ever had in golf was at "Da Pawk" when I was a young man.

The New Orleans City Park Golf Complex—back in the day—had it all. 81 holes, including the 75-cent Junior Course where I cut my golfing teeth without having to worry about holding any adults up. It had a covered Driving Range where unless it rained sideways or it was 110-degrees in the shade, you could hit balls comfortably.

If you wanted or needed equipment, Henry Thomas, the pro there for 53 years, had a golf shop that carried every worthwhile product at bargain basement prices. And Mr. Thomas was the easiest person to trade golf equipment with in the history of the business. Lord only knows how much better my equipment was when I was coming up, because of his generous trade-up policy.

My Mom and Dad bought me a yearly pass to all 81-holes each year for Christmas. $320.

You could show up any day of the year, go to the first tee of any of the courses, and find a "game."

You could also get a real game for any amount of money, with any level of golfer, all the way up to PGA Tour caliber.

For the ball beaters, there were several places you could hit your own balls, from the "triangle" between numbers #13, #14 and #15, where you could hit shots up to 175 yards. Or, the area next to Wisner Blvd. where you could hit Driver if you wished.

I filmed "Confessions of a Former Flipper" in that "triangle."

If you were an up and comer, you could find plenty of good players to play with. Stan Stopa and Carl Poche were world-class ball strikers, and Archie Gonzales who should have been better than both. Maynard Garrett, John Schnieder, Gary Shultz, Ernie Makepeace, Jimmy Self III, and Brad Petrie, could play average and shoot under par. They'd also put up with you if you kept up and shot 80.

Jimmy Cole, Walter Pryor, George (Jelly) Reno, Tank, Toy, and George Airline—the good playing African-American golfers—would let you play for some cash, even the small amounts a broke little Italian boy from Chalmette had to lose. But the best thing about the "Black" golfers were how encouraging they were. And helpful.

Without those those guys as my big "brothers" so-to-speak, I never get good enough to turn pro.

You could play up to a sixsome on the East Course, and often we'd play more in the late afternoons.

My Dad played City Park every single open day of his life from the time he "got the bug" at age 30, to the day he passed away with a tee time on the books.

He went to work happily everyday, because he knew that every day of work got him one day closer to retirement at age 62, where he vowed to play "everyday."

He would have, no doubt.

Because of the easy access of "Da Pawk," I became a regular golfer who loved the game. Because of City Park golfers, I became a golf pro. Because of the City Park pro, I became a teacher. Because City Park allowed anyone who qualified under their guidelines to teach for a living, I became a full-time teacher with a dream to be the best.

No way I become one one-hundredth as good as teacher as I have without the opportunity to be a totally independent teacher, who could change what they taught tomorrow, and then back again the next day, if I was teaching "for" somebody.

No way.

It was the best place to grow up a golfer that I ever heard of, but it all began to change for the worse in 1987.

The Park Board unceremoniously pushed Henry Thomas aside and hired former Thomas assistant Frank Mackel to succeed him as "Director of Golf."

Mackel, who grew up a "pawker," had spent time at country clubs and wanted to put his own stamp on 1040 Filmore Avenue.

He did.

It became a money-making machine.

Eventually golfers had no place hit their own practice balls. Prices doubled and five and sixsomes were no more. Many of the gamblers and African-American golfers started playing other courses.

At least you could still afford to play City Park, and you could still teach there if you were qualified.

Year later, City Park hired a management company to run the courses, and they did very little "managing." After three years the park upgraded to a better Head Pro and things got a little better.

Then came Katrina.

It took six months to re-open the Driving Range, and three years to open one course. The slightly renovated North Course is in always pretty good shape, and the Range has good mats and balls.

Believe it or not, City Park has still not opened any of the other courses.

Lots of politics, and a lots of time wasted.

The plan for now is one more 18-hole course worthy of the local PGA Tour event, and a new clubhouse for that course.

There was hope among long-time City "Parkers" that a renovation could return the Park to the good old days.

It won't.

I'll be nice, I bet. But it won't be "Da Pawk."

Long live "Da Pawk."
 
Great story.

It's one of the problems I have with the game. If a course is affordable, more often than not it's pretty much a cow pasture. And if a course is decent, more often than not it's pretty much unaffordable to most of the golfers.

In Atlanta, it's really bad. Decent courses in Atlanta often are private equity ownership with ridiculous fees and initiation fees in the $15K - $300K range. Most of everything else that's affordable is pretty much god awful. Thankfully the course I play at was smart enough to come up with a great business model to allow golfers like myself an affordable membership at over 20 different courses.

Anyway, I grew up in Northern NY and played a course that was very much like you describe City Park was. Awhile ago you posted that you basically had great hope for the future of the industry. I wasn't nearly as optimistic because the game continues to be too expensive for too many people to play and even with the economy, it seems like the costs associated with the game have gone up instead of logically going down.

Long live all golf courses like the Park.




3JACK
 
What a great piece... loved it. I'm not much of a writer but I was thinking of writing about the course where I grew up and its demise last April and you just gave me a reason to...

I remember, getting my first "wood" and going to the range at Quail Hollow country club (not the tour stop), it was a hogan 5 wood cut down for me, I would hit balls on the range with my dad, but he didn't want to pay for a bucket for me, so he would send me out about 30 feet with about 20 or so of his balls, and have me hit them at him... and he would catch them!!! It was amazing for a 4 year old... as I grew up, I got to play a few holes with dad. Just down the street from us, was the 13th 14th and 15th holes, a triangle much like you described. It consisted of one par 3, one par 5 and one par 4 in that order. Dad would take us down there at about 6pm or so in the summers and we would walk those 3 holes as many times as we could before dark... I remember starting out, I had to hit driver from the women's tees on that 13th hole par three to get it over, the last time I played there, I was hitting my 9 iron from 150...

Where we would "sneak" on, was about a par 5s distance from my house. Many times growing up, my friends and I would go up there on our bikes, and play a little before dinner, if dad wouldn't take us. We never got in trouble, until later when ownership changed... but even then, unless the owner was out, the rangers would just wave at us, and go on their ways.
This wasn't a horrible course, this was a nice course. It held some mini tour events there in the 60s and 70s, names like Hale Irwin had played here then... It was beautiful, tucked back into a small Florida town, with a big course name. It had everything here, completely woods lined fairways, not a house in site, some were lined by homes, built in the 80s, and then there far in the back, was some Florida swamp too! such a pretty course...
It was about 1998 when ownership changed, like I mentioned. A little Korean lady bought the place, and she started selling those woods to big home builders... when it was all said and done, there were maybe 2 fairways still hidden, but that's just what you came to expect here in Florida. Then rumors started in 2007 of ownership changing again, and the prospects were even worse... Contractors were to come in and completely build over the course. Well when the housing marked crashed, they kept the course running, but it was a shell of its former self... and within 4 months, the course as we knew it, was no more...

The course was built in 1952 if I remember right. Quail Hollow country club, in Wesley Chapel, FL. This is where I learned golf, This is the first place I broke 80, with a 15 foot make it or brake it birdie putt on the 18th par 5. This course was perfect, for a little boy to learn from his Father and to gain respect for a gentlemens game. I still drive past the place where we would park with dad, get out and play those 3 holes. Its funny because nothing has changed about that spot except the grown over course... Its sad. I miss it. and I wish I could grab dad, and have one more go around on those three holes, play them as many times as we could till dark.

anyway, like I said, I have been wanting to write that for a while, and you just gave me a reason to Brian. I feel for you, its almost like loosing a piece of yourself.... undescribable... unfortunate...
 
The USGA, PGA and other powers that be are on the Wrong Track!

Golf doesn't need more $45 million facilities....golf doesn't need more difficult, "championship" courses...golf doesn't need more Rees Jones courses (I think the world would be nicer with LESS of them).

For all the lip service to growing the game, first tee, etc...golf keeps digging it's own grave by ignoring the affordable "starter" courses and places for the average Joe to play.

It's good to see City Park getting fixed up, but it's sad that it will never be like it was before.
 
KSC

Brian, if/when you come to HK, I'll take you to the only public course here. One of the nicest public courses in Asia. 70 bucks for 18 holes on weekdays. Lots of hilly walking so you better be fit! :)
 
Great story Brian. I've never been to City Park but you bring it to life. It sounds like my kind of place.

Like 3Jack, I also grew up in upstate NY, where the golf seasons are short and where I hit many a ball off frozen turn with the snow cleared away. I fondly remember daily afternoon golf during the summers with my father at Willowbrook Golf Course as a kid, a course I played many hundreds of times. As I got a little older I would try to imagine what it would look like when ALL the trees matured. 40 years later I bet it plays a lot differently.

Another course I played as a kid was a great 9-hole track called Carlowden "Country Club" with 2 slightly different sets of tees to make it "18". 70 bucks for an annual junior membership. It wasn't a country club by modern day cost standards, but you did have to be a "member" (which was only a few hundred bucks for adults). Shortly after I moved away they added another 9 holes which were designed almost exclusively BY THE MEMBERS!! Can you imagine that happening today?

I experienced a little bit of the Dallas Tenison Park days that weren't too far removed from the "Trevino-era". Another great Dallas muni, "Cedar Crest" was pretty interesting back in the early 80's as well.....gang-somes, heavy gambling with small galleries following the action (much of which they "had a piece of"), a guy selling beer out of his pickup parked alongside the 15th teebox, the smallest crowned greens ever built, etc. That course still has 4 of the toughest par-3's you'll ever play.

The good ole days. Long live all the "old tracks with personality"!

Robbo
 
Like 3Jack, I also grew up in upstate NY, where the golf seasons are short and where I hit many a ball off frozen turn with the snow cleared away. I fondly remember daily afternoon golf during the summers with my father at Willowbrook Golf Course as a kid, a course I played many hundreds of times. As I got a little older I would try to imagine what it would look like when ALL the trees matured. 40 years later I bet it plays a lot differently.

Another course I played as a kid was a great 9-hole track called Carlowden "Country Club" with 2 slightly different sets of tees to make it "18". 70 bucks for an annual junior membership. It wasn't a country club by modern day cost standards, but you did have to be a "member" (which was only a few hundred bucks for adults). Shortly after I moved away they added another 9 holes which were designed almost exclusively BY THE MEMBERS!! Can you imagine that happening today?

Robbo,

I grew up playing Tomacy's (then Ives Hill and the Elms, later on Rogues Roost). Played Willowbrook and Carlowden countless times. #9 at Carlowden had the craziest green ever.

The new 9 at Carlowden shows why you don't have members design golf holes. Well, at least Carlowden members :)

Small world.



3JACK
 
Robbo,

I grew up playing Tomacy's (then Ives Hill and the Elms, later on Rogues Roost). Played Willowbrook and Carlowden countless times. #9 at Carlowden had the craziest green ever.

The new 9 at Carlowden shows why you don't have members design golf holes. Well, at least Carlowden members :)

Small world.



3JACK

3Jack,

lol......... there are some interesting holes on that new 9! And your right about the 9th green. You didn't want a 10 foot side-hiller to tie on that one.

Tomacy's...... in Adams right? It seems like they were always the first course to open in the spring. Ives Hill and Watertown CC, a couple of other good courses. Played plenty of high school matches on all those tracks. The Quinn brothers won everything, along with the Gerkin brothers, and Marty Redder. Jim Quinn and Redder hit it a mile.

Very small world!

Robbo
 
Da Pawk!

My first round of golf was at the North Course at da pawk! I remember my brother and I on a Saturday afternoon waiting at the counter for 4:00 pm to arrive because the green fee would decrease in half. We would easily get in 18 holes during the summer and play until dark.

There was always someone hitting their own golf balls as Brian mentioned. It got so crowded that people were going to the University of New Orleans in order to hit balls by the baseball field (where Pope John Paul II visited).

The driving range was a money maker! During the summer, people would line up outside the door waiting to get balls. While hitting, you would eventually hear a loud noise coming from a stall down the row, which meant that someone shanked the ball and it hit the wooded divider - Classic! While practicing, there would be at least 4 teaching pros stop by trying to persuade you to start working with them - it was brutal.

The good ole days......
 

Tom Bartlett

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All the stories you hear about Tennison park don't come close to the stuff that went on at "The Park". Truly, a one of a kind that will never be replicated.
 
All the stories you hear about Tennison park don't come close to the stuff that went on at "The Park". Truly, a one of a kind that will never be replicated.

Could be. The list of characters Brian mentions sound like quite a collection. ;) I can tell you that Tenison had one of the strongest golf associations in the state back in the 80's and 90's. If you weren't carrying a 2 hdcp or better you were probably playing in the 3rd flight during their tournaments. Best bunch of blue collar players I've ever been around.

The old Tenison "West Course" has since been redesigned by DA Weibring into quite a track. He had a great piece of land to work with, but sometimes I miss the old layout. Of course the green fees are about 3x what they were. The "East Course" is just like it used to be except for the addition of cart paths. Grainiest and slowest bermuda greens you'll ever putt on.
 
3Jack,

lol......... there are some interesting holes on that new 9! And your right about the 9th green. You didn't want a 10 foot side-hiller to tie on that one.

Tomacy's...... in Adams right? It seems like they were always the first course to open in the spring. Ives Hill and Watertown CC, a couple of other good courses. Played plenty of high school matches on all those tracks. The Quinn brothers won everything, along with the Gerkin brothers, and Marty Redder. Jim Quinn and Redder hit it a mile.

Very small world!

Robbo

I played with Kevin Quinn quite a bit. Funny story about a pool party held during the Tomacy's Member-Guest. Used to play with Jeff Fallon quite a bit, he used to work with my old man. Gary Gerkin used to hit it a mile, Fred was unbelievable. Used to play a lot with Dave Bajally who was about the fastest golfer I ever played with...he had some great stories about playing at U of Miami and was telling me how quirky and how bad of a temper Woody Austin had when they were at the U way before anybody had even heard of Austin.

Used to be good friends with Stu Jamieson, a classic great old pro. Too bad he passed away.

Did you ever hear of a guy named Grant Rogers? He was easily the most talented golfer I ever played with.

The first time I ever played with Grant one of the guys that was supposed to be in our 4 man scramble didn't show up. Grant was there and he's a bit of a scraggly looking guy who dressed the part....if it was 1974. Anyway, we take him on our team and we were bummed out since our original 4th guy was a pretty good player. Then Grant steps up on #9 at Carlowden (it was a shotgun start) and he drives the green! Back in the day of balata golf balls and persimmon drivers. I remember getting into the cart after the drive and my friend Rob turns to me and says 'CHA CHING!'

Oh, those where the days.




3JACK
 
I played with Kevin Quinn quite a bit. Funny story about a pool party held during the Tomacy's Member-Guest. Used to play with Jeff Fallon quite a bit, he used to work with my old man. Gary Gerkin used to hit it a mile, Fred was unbelievable. Used to play a lot with Dave Bajally who was about the fastest golfer I ever played with...he had some great stories about playing at U of Miami and was telling me how quirky and how bad of a temper Woody Austin had when they were at the U way before anybody had even heard of Austin.

Used to be good friends with Stu Jamieson, a classic great old pro. Too bad he passed away.

Did you ever hear of a guy named Grant Rogers? He was easily the most talented golfer I ever played with.

The first time I ever played with Grant one of the guys that was supposed to be in our 4 man scramble didn't show up. Grant was there and he's a bit of a scraggly looking guy who dressed the part....if it was 1974. Anyway, we take him on our team and we were bummed out since our original 4th guy was a pretty good player. Then Grant steps up on #9 at Carlowden (it was a shotgun start) and he drives the green! Back in the day of balata golf balls and persimmon drivers. I remember getting into the cart after the drive and my friend Rob turns to me and says 'CHA CHING!'

Oh, those where the days.




3JACK


Great stuff 3jack! The Gerkins were really good, and you're right..... Gary could bomb it.
Never played with Grant Rogers, but driving #9 is a pretty good poke, especially with the old equipment! I remember Bajally as well...... didn't realize he went to U of M. I played many a HS match against Kevin.

I remember Stu, he was the consumate pro. Judd Haley was the Carlowden pro for a good bit while I was in school. Wasn't O'Learey at Ives Hill? The pro's in that area and at that time were much more like permanent "fixtures" than now. Today, (at least in the Dallas area) it's much more like a revolving door.

I didn't appreciate until later in life just how many good players came out of central and upstate NY. Truly amazing considering the length of the golf season. I can't remember his name, but someone from Watertown took Justin Leonard to the limit during their match the year Justin won the US Am.

Robbo
 
Wasn't O'Learey at Ives Hill?

Unfortunately, yes.

To say he and I didn't get along is like saying players in the NBA tend to be tall.

Truly amazing considering the length of the golf season. I can't remember his name, but someone from Watertown took Justin Leonard to the limit during their match the year Justin won the US Am.

That was Bob Hughes, who worked 3 jobs, practiced little and was still probably the best amateur in the state. I saw him make one of the greatest up and downs ever which would put Tiger's chip in on #16 at August to shame. He was really just around at the wrong time. This was before they had the Nationwide/Hogan tour. If they would've had that around, I think he could've established himself there and then maybe played a few years on the PGA Tour.

Bajally has a great story about playing with Dan Marino. He had a pretty big loop in his swing, but used to hit it great. After his freshman year at the U the coach forced him to go to Leadbetter and well, he doesn't have many kind words about working with DL.




3JACK
 
Unfortunately, yes.

To say he and I didn't get along is like saying players in the NBA tend to be tall.



That was Bob Hughes, who worked 3 jobs, practiced little and was still probably the best amateur in the state. I saw him make one of the greatest up and downs ever which would put Tiger's chip in on #16 at August to shame. He was really just around at the wrong time. This was before they had the Nationwide/Hogan tour. If they would've had that around, I think he could've established himself there and then maybe played a few years on the PGA Tour.

Bajally has a great story about playing with Dan Marino. He had a pretty big loop in his swing, but used to hit it great. After his freshman year at the U the coach forced him to go to Leadbetter and well, he doesn't have many kind words about working with DL.




3JACK

3Jack,

Bobby Hughes..... that's him. I want to say he had Leonard on the ropes in that match too. What a life changer that might have been. lol about O'Leary .... I don't recall him as being the most personable pro around either.

So many great memories from such a great time in my golfing life! Golf wasn't as "cool" then as it is now, so if you were really "into it" then you were part of a very special fraternity (difficult to explain it to those that weren't part of it). Thanks for the great stroll down Northern NY golf memory lane.

If you ever swing thru the DFW area let me know.

Robbo
 
Great story...

My annual golf pass at a 9-hole Muni in Toronto was $215:) It was pretty darn good too. Two guys (Italian brothers, "no spekeda english") on the maintenance crew. I have 24 on my crew now. Damn fun and had the best hot dogs around. I was 9 years old, my dad would drop me off at 8 am and pick me up around dinner time or later!

Good times. I miss it.

MC
 
Reading this makes me depressed..I wish I would have known what a golf club was when I was a kid. Good Stories guys.
 
I recently visited City Park this week while working with Brian for a couple days in New Orleans. It was so great to finally have the opportunity to experience firsthand the charm of the “pawk” which I had heard so many stories about over the years.

What remains of the park is still a great place to practice and play, however one cannot help but be saddened by the desolate courses that can be seen traveling through the park.

I grew up playing at a similar public facility with a great driving range and a little par- 3 course that anyone could afford. Similar to the park they had a reasonable junior pass that my parents would get for me each year. This was the place where I learned how to play and enjoy the game of golf and where spent so many hours building my game to its current levels with Brian.

Recently plans were released for this facility to be sold in the name of “progress” also known as condos. Many people were distraught, but all in all it was widely accepted as reasonable decision by the owners and a simple sign of the times.

This was not the attitude amongst the “parkers” in New Orleans. Walking through the clubhouse and down the tee line at the park, it would be tough to find someone who is glad to see the park where it is and eager to see where it is going in the future months. These golfers do not want to see a course that they will only be able to afford to play twice a year, nor do they want a course that has water on fifteen holes, and will be virtually unplayable.

In the name of “development “ this facility is going to be broken apart. The once packed courses are empty, and the neglected fairways are so high that they wave in the wind. The closest thing to a golfer on the East Course that I have heard so many great stories about, was a dog being walked by a man who accidentally turned on a golf tournament one Sunday.

My hear broke when I saw the property and continues to break for the many people that are guaranteed to be displaced by this project.

In a world packed with too many high class country clubs that and high priced courses that discourage the growth of the game, a $45 million project that destroys a great environment is the last thing the golfing community and especially New Orleans golf needs.

I only wish that I could have visited the Park in its prime and experienced the great environment or maybe even jumped in one of those games on any of the 81 holes.

This is a great loss.
 
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