BLOG: Trying to Create a Copycat Recipe — by Brian Manzella

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Brian Manzella

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Have you ever seen the "Copycat Recipe" websites? There are several of them on the 'net and they all attempt to do basically the same thing—recreate a recipe of a famous dish from a restaurant or food service company by taste. I am sure it is possible to get the food to taste the basically the same, especially after several attempts. But how many times do they ever taste exactly the same? And how many times is the recipe knocked off perfectly, ingredient by ingredient?

The recipe that always comes to mind is Houston's Spinach Dip. I have literally had 100 different versions of the dish at parties and the like, and lots of them taste great. Not a single one taste like, and has the consistency of the original. Not even close.

I am sure that at a lab, the ingredients of the ingredients could be found out. Even then, you'd have to try to figure out where they all go.

The golf swing is still a mystery. In 600 years of playing the game, and almost as many teaching it, and almost as many writing about it, and almost as many of that talking about it on video of some sort—what do we have?

Copycat Recipe websites, golf schools, and schools of thought on the golf swing.

Many espouse a certain pattern of movement that they claim is ideal. Most of these claims come from trying to back out the recipe of a swing from video.

Some use 3D, the six degree of freedom type or not, to help make their case. But almost never do these 3D inclusions have 3D on the players they based their pet movement pattern on. Ditto for force plates. Heck, no really good simultaneous 2D high speed video from down the line and face on exists for Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, or Johnny Miller, just to demonstrate eras that have missing video of that kind. Heck, damn little simultaneous 2D high speed video from down the line and face on exists for any current players.

What good would that do any way?

All you'd have is a way to figure out what they looked like they did. No way in hell to figure out what they actually did. That's why golf instruction has been so poor for 100+ years. Copycat recipes that even done perfectly, just don't produce the same as the original.

Nowadays we have Radar machines that do a great but imperfect job of tracking the club and the ball. Super high-speed video that can show you things never seen before with human eyes. All of that for just slightly better copycat recipes.

Damn, I wish I had some Houston's Spinach Dip as I write this....

Anyhoo, man can not live on that dish alone. Although it would be fun trying for a half-day or so....

The answer to culinary delights is not in any recipe. The answer to happiness in any good or bad diet is many, many dishes, hopefully from the right food groups, in the right portions, at the right times of day.

The same with the golf swing.

One of them could be duplicated. But video won't do. You'd need really good 6 DOF 3D capture, force plates and a really smart scientist to back out the forces and the torques. Then you'd probably need years to perfect THAT swing, while all the while YOUR body is changing. Even the the guy or gal that was captured couldn't even go back in a year and duplicate that swing. Or a month.

No, the secret is in knowing how to apply the forces and torques to the only two things you are in contact with:

The club and the ground.

If you get it, you win. You discover how. And that how will NEVER CHANGE. Even as you do.

In the last few weeks I have had a couple of "almost understands" to half of that puzzle. Folks, if I am correct—and everything we have learned in PROJECT 1.68 tells me I am, NOBODY ELSE WAS EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE.

In fact, the folks trying to knock off one swing, or a group of them with a certain look, are further away then folks were 80 years ago.

They are missing an important ingredient. And just like all the folks who keep putting the wrong ingredients in their spinach dips, they are lost in a circle of mistakes and seems as ifs that make most dip copiers forget what the real dip even taste like.

I really feel sorry for most of them. I've been down all those silly roads.

I am so close to the whole secret, I can taste it.

And it doesn't have near all the damn sour cream everyone uses—if you get my drift.
 

lia41985

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Oh...I catch your drift, bruh.

I don't know whether to say you're back or whether you've really arrived.

That had the flavor of all your old posts (i.e. all that bravado) along with the wisdom, knowledge, and humility that has come from all your recent learning.
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No, the secret is in knowing how to apply the forces and torques to the only two things you are in contact with:

The club and the ground.
This may sound strange, but we are also in contact with our own body, and I think mastering the forces we apply to our musculoskeletal system is also part of the secret.
 
I've known all along that you're right, Baz. This all started about 2 years ago with a few posts which IMO were the beginning of the discovery of the missing elements. My golf shots tasted more and more like the real thing when I emphasized these elements, and, boy, I liked it.

Your post about the dip is a nice analogy because all the wannabees just don't know what to do because they are missing these elements. They can piss about for another 600 years, but if they don't find those elements they will still be pssing against the wind and getting wet.
 
The spinach dip is a professionally done dish, so I can understand why it's so darn difficult to get exactly right. But what I find really amazing is all the loud amateur chefs who are having trouble copying the "recipe" for tap water.
 

Kevin Shields

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Oh...I catch your drift, bruh.

I don't know whether to say you're back or whether you've really arrived.

That had the flavor of all your old posts (i.e. all that bravado) along with the wisdom, knowledge, and humility that has come from all your recent learning.
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Don't call it a comeback....
 
That was a nice piece of work Brian. Somehow you summed up a lot of thoughts that had been buzzing around in the old melon. I thought the metaphor was surgical in dissecting the source of the troubles and confusion in golf theory and instruction.

Best of all there is a promise of something we can use to improve, teacher and player alike.

And don't forget the taste of the dish depend not on ingredients but who puts them together. You may just be the right cook.
 
...In fact, the folks trying to knock off one swing, or a group of them with a certain look, are further away then folks were 80 years ago.

That explains why most of the lessons they give hold up and last as well as used toilet paper. Unfortunately, some people really believe golf is supposed to be extremely difficult, so they just keep coming back for more punishment at their own expense.
 

hp12c

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Oh man Bmanz when oh when is this project gonna be born? Youre Baby has been incubating in the womb of science, tell us are the labor pains real and the birth is soon as in the baby has reached full term and the time is now!:)
 
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