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Brian Manzella

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Old Ben.

For the longest time when he was alive, Ben Hogan never thought of himself as old. But he did get old, and if we are lucky, so will we.

You see, for those of us who never sit still, never stand pat, life is just one big pick-up football game. You show up, pick or get picked, play hard, try to out fox, out hustle, out smart, or just plain out game the other guy, and shake hands when its over, while saying, "See you next time."

It never occurs to you that you are old, or getting old. You just know with a little work and a little thought you can do better next time, maybe because you can figure out a better way to dissect the 3-3 zone, or in Ben's case, the 3 hard par 3's. And you can't wait to get up each day.

For Ben Hogan, there was always a next time. Another day to improve. Another day to figure out the mystery of the great game of golf.

Ben Hogan has been gone from our presence now for over eleven years. I think he'd have a hard time with all the golf teachers out there claiming to have "figured out what Hogan was doing." In my opinion, Hogan would probably sue some of those who say they used his swing as the model for their method.

They sure don't look like Hogan when they demonstrate.

Some of the indisputable things that Ben Hogan did in his golf swing can be seen in the picture above.

1. He made a backswing that was wider than his downswing.

2. His swing covered a lot of ground to the left and right of him.

3. His downswing was, by modern "pop golf instruction" terms, very narrow.

4. He did not keep the club "up" his left arm in the common way a lot of golf instructors now pose.

5. His left leg did not snap straight at impact.

The more research I do, the better the swings of Hogan, Snead, and Nicklaus look. Funny, other than this guy Tiger Woods, these are the three biggest winners in PGA Tour history.

Eldrick makes a pretty good pass at it as well—at times.

The main thing to learn from the five indisputable things that anyone can plainly see in the picture of Hogan is this simple fact:

The modern fascination with centered, or left leaning at the top pivots these days, is, in my opinion, very short sighted.

There is simply no way to make a backswing with your head between your feet, or as bent over as Peyton Manning taking a snap from a three year-old, or leaning left of Nancy Pelosi at the top, and make a backswing that much wider than your downswing.

You can't.

You can't reach that far.

The other obvious things in the picture to me are how Hogan didn't overly "hit down," controlling the bottom vector of his D-Plane, and probably snapped his Kinetic Chain with the best of them.

Ben Hogan once said, "I hope people take what I have learned and go on from there." I believe, most real thinkers, would feel the same way.

If Ben were with us now, he'd be burning up his TrackMan, with his high-speed video and and 3D machine humming along, figuring out a better way with a little help.

He once said, "If I had video, I'd have killed those guys."

No doubt.

He would not like watching video of golf pros who he could give six a side to, posing in positions that are supposed to be closely approximating what Hogan did, but look more like what he was trying not to do.

Just look at the pictures, and think for yourself.

With age comes wisdom.

And another day to learn new stuff, and improve.

Thanks, Ben.
 
Great Manzellion post, thanks Brian.

Have you seen these pics of young Ben? They represent a different moment in time...a time when his leg did snap straighter, more left sided maybe? A time when he was athletically perhaps at his best (pre wreck / late 20s)...

Historic Golf Photos | Ben Hogan Limited Edition 12 Piece pictures, photos, prints, photographs, art, lithographs .

Description seems to say that they were taken by/for Alex Morrison teaching purposes in 1939... well before most of the usual swing sequences we see....well before Ben even dreamt of having a secret!

Anything you would have told young Ben if he had come to you rather than Morrison??
 
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Dear Brian and Soldiers,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I think that Brian has evoked in all of us here, a sacred pint, gentle and truthful. A vital life, vitalizes. The hardness of all the mistakes, somehow is accepted, because our way is authentic. There is nothing to look back on in shame. No hold-back here. It's not easy, but it is nice to have been helped along the way. Someone to stand with you in the journey. Its got to be your life, your desire, and your responsibility. All the swings past, the thoughts, the balance of it all, well for the good, are forgiven with the swift completion of another truthful, courageous swing. Make the ball go where you're lookin', and move on to the next rabbit hole. Looking for the place in yourself that is at once, peak and peace.

With that you can think of this when you need it:

" He was not an angel or a saint, but a living questing man of deeds, gifted with the paired virtues of courage and compassion, to which was added loyalty."

I remain,
Sincerely,

Rick
Bethesda
Christmas 2008
 
Great post.

Too much of the "Swing like Hogan" stuff out there is junky.

It's true- you have to simply think for yourself. (and wisely)

The proof is in the pictures. And pudding.
 
Neat sequence BTW bulldog.

Too bad the Tripodders (of The Tripodder Posse) will probably love it.....!

Even as a winless on PGA Tour (?) 27 year old?
 
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Brian Manzella

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If Hogan was always working on improving, the Coleman estate video is a much better swing.

All the knowledge, all the wins, and still a pretty fit, strong body.

Bulldog, I have to think think his 1953 swing to much better, and maybe it kept getting better after that.

After all, he and Valerie were eating oranges for dinner when that sequence was taken.

Lots of folks look a Hogan's later less than full swings and make all sorts of incorrect assumptions.
 

KOC

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Brain,

Any consideration have to be taken that Hogan was not hitting a ball in the above picture?
 

KOC

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The modern fascination with centered—or left leaning at the top—pivots these days, is, in my opinion, very short sighted.

There is simply no way to make a backswing with your head between your feet, or as bent over as Peyton Manning taking a snap from a three year-old, or leaning left of Nancy Pelosi at the top, and make a backswing that much wider than your downswing.

You can't....

And another day to learn new stuff, and improve.

Thanks, Ben.

Dear Brain,

Do we learn some new stuff here?

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I am not saying this pattern is superior or not, but the downswing arc is definately narrow than that of the backswing. Tiger Woods also once said in TGC...the golf swing is an arc of an arc...the guy above seems like (to me) also fitting the phrase. :eek:
 

ggsjpc

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not brian, but....

Dear Brain,

Do we learn some new stuff here?

arcofanarcfl2.jpg


I am not saying this pattern is superior or not, but the downswing arc is definately narrow than that of the backswing. Tiger Woods also once said in TGC...the golf swing is an arc of an arc...the guy above seems like (to me) also fitting the phrase. :eek:

This picture describes all good golf swings with the club head traveling on a sharper downswing arc than the backswing arc. It's caused by two things. First, a little shift to target and more importantly a lagging clubhead. Basically, the clubhead travels more up and down because the clubhead is closer to the swinger by means of maintaining the hinging of the clubhead into the downswing.

In other words, the clubhead and arms in a backswing are generally in a straighter relationship than in the downswing. The golf swing is not a redo or retrace of back swing and downswing. Major misconception by many, many people.
 

Brian Manzella

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Dear Brain,

Do we learn some new stuff here?

arcofanarcfl2.jpg


I am not saying this pattern is superior or not, but the downswing arc is definately narrow than that of the backswing. Tiger Woods also once said in TGC...the golf swing is an arc of an arc...the guy above seems like (to me) also fitting the phrase. :eek:

KOC,

The name is B-R-I-A-N....:rolleyes:

All I learned from the picture you posted is that golf in the picture must be a much shorter hitter than Hogan.

Thank you for posting it.

I should have written my BLOG better.

I wanted to say:

Unless you are a stone hacker, your downswing will probably be inside your backswing. Mr. Hogan had a much wider overall coverage in his two arcs, and a downswing arc QUITE inside of the backswing one.
 

KOC

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Sorry B-R-I-A-N....:eek:
First of all, you might have seen him hitting ball with short distance, all I can see is ball-turf contact and the sound of impact is very impressive to my ear....so I have no idea whether he is a shorter hitter than Hogan. Yes, might be...but I personally think that he will not mind to use any machine to test the clubhead and ball speed.

I also don't have a front view wood swing of him also...but I did make a reference of your iron swing to see the difference....

Regarding "chicken-wingish", i can see a similar look of yours at that frame but I just can't find my favourite food...chicken wing in both swing!
 
Great Manzellion post, thanks Brian.

Have you seen these pics of young Ben? They represent a different moment in time...a time when his leg did snap straighter, more left sided maybe? A time when he was athletically perhaps at his best (pre wreck / late 20s)...

Historic Golf Photos | Ben Hogan Limited Edition 12 Piece pictures, photos, prints, photographs, art, lithographs .

Description seems to say that they were taken by/for Alex Morrison teaching purposes in 1939... well before most of the usual swing sequences we see....well before Ben even dreamt of having a secret!

Anything you would have told young Ben if he had come to you rather than Morrison??

During the time when the sequence was taken, Ben Hogan was not in his prime in terms of winning tournaments or ball striking ability.

The difference in this sequence compared with his more famous swings is, here, he has less axis tilt at impact, more lean toward the target at the top, more delofting of clubface at impact, and more of a 'roll over' type finish swivel.
 
During the time when the sequence was taken, Ben Hogan was not in his prime in terms of winning tournaments or ball striking ability.

The difference in this sequence compared with his more famous swings is, here, he has less axis tilt at impact, more lean toward the target at the top, more delofting of clubface at impact, and more of a 'roll over' type finish swivel.

Thats why it is more interesting than his winning swing... we know it didn't work...we can see what he did to change it...but given that swing what would Brian do...what would P+B (S+T guys) do given this starting point...
 

Guitar Hero

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Dear Brain,

Do we learn some new stuff here?

arcofanarcfl2.jpg


I am not saying this pattern is superior or not, but the downswing arc is definately narrow than that of the backswing. Tiger Woods also once said in TGC...the golf swing is an arc of an arc...the guy above seems like (to me) also fitting the phrase. :eek:


Do you have him swinging a driver instead of an iron with the trace?
 
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