Body rotation - using the hand or body???

[oztrainee]

A lot of golf expert are using the wrong word, where words in teaching is one of the most important element. If you are using the wrong word, you are destroying a good golf swing.
Golf swing is all about balance, where balance is affected by the direction of force, and balance affect your tempo.
Personally, I do not think that body rotation will give you power within the golf swing. Clearing your hip is all about, giving your body a counter balance action, rather then some expert call it using your body to hit the ball instead of using our hands. A lot of people got muddle up by golf expert of getting them to turn more, as a result of having the right shoulder coming out, as well as not generating enough power to transfer the force to the club head via the shaft.
I havn't read the golfing machine properly, but what I am focus on is the wrist and hand action, rather then the body. As long as the direction of the force is correct, the rest of the body balance will form the shape. FORM FOLLOW FUNCTION. More you think about the hip turn, the more you are not using the power from the pivot turn

Turning the hip is an affect of body carryout counter balance action
The number one enemy in golf swing, is our counter balance mechanism (Safe balance mechinism in our body mechanic)
As long as you know how to instruct your brain to think how to stay in balance, as well as the right thought in wrist action during impact. would that be what we call a golf swing?????

 

[EdZ]

If I follow your post, yes, I agree. If you are always in balance, and you always 'know where your hands are', you are well on your way to solid golf.

 

[oztrainee]

Understanding about the golf book is good, such as
Search of the perfect swing
The golfing machine.
There is a brain in our body, the CPU in our body will carry out all sort of calculation as well as making provision in preparing next move within the forecoming motion.
When a train just about to stop, we will prepare the forward thrust and lean back. (Experience and natural body counter balance action)
Direction of force generation
If I am correct the direction of force generation should be 90degree from the target. THe though of throwing the club, should it be throwing it towards the target, or should it be throwing the clubhead in front of you. I think the result of the above would help us to generating enough centrifugal force, and the minute the clubhead gets to the impact position, is the time where the club will start to accelrate and release the force to the golfball.
In order to accelrate, should we think about swinging the club at a constant speed. If that is the case, what we are thinking is totally contra to what it is happening.
Is that TAI CHI.....

 

[oztrainee]

Visualization on golf swing
If someone born in an island, and never have the chance of seeing a golf swing. If that person got given a golf club and some golf balls ; assuming that person have good Grip, alignment, stance and posture, would he/she be able to generate more power with a nature swing, or would he/she be able to swing the club as good as other good golfer?
As we always see frame images on magaine, I find that, it is so difficult to learn from position. For golfer who loves examining golf swing (shape), very likely they are learning the end result of the performed force. E.g. Learning the finishing position of a punch or a kick in kick-boxing, is all about learning how to shape them up for still images, and not actually learning how to use the punch to generate force to hit on an object.
If we look at the following element in the golf swing
1. Arm extension
2. Body Rotation
3. Dropping rear shoulder on transition
4. The left wrist fully unwind and the right arm bend
To my understanding from what I learn from my coach(If I am correct)
• Arm extension is a result of momentum generated by motion
• Body rotation is a result of counter balance in relation to the fix centre
• Dropping rear shoulder on transition
• Impact position (Left wrist fully unwind and the right arm bend) is a result of the spine and body angle setting, in relation to the fix centre.
All 1, 2, 3 and 4 are affecting our balance, if we are trying to copy the swing motion, unless that person is a robot, otherwise I think there isn’t many true visual learner out there. I think with a bit of patient, we can force a visual learner to be a theatrical learner.
Apart from the above 4 points, swing plane and direction of force is difficult to read from a golf swing. Where a lot of golfer believe the swing is coming DOWN from 1o’clock to 12 o’clock (Clockwise). Which is pretty much an up to down then up swing. But in order to generate centrifugal force the swing thought should be flatter, if that is the case the swing should start from 4 o’ clock to 6 o’ clock (Anticlockwise) if we look at it from a helicopter view. Where the angle between the body and the club shaft should always be 90degree because of the centrifugal force. (And I believe that is what we should be thinking). If that is the case the direction of force should be swinging away from your body and the vector should be pointing at 90degree from the target line. And the resultant force vector should be pointing to 45 degree of the target line, in relation to the direction where we are facing. If the above is correct, where people are talking about gravity can only apply to the angular momentum, because if we are trying to swing the club away from our body, we are countering the gravity rather then making use of it.
Our visual contact is giving inaccurate information to our mind, but still I see a lot of golfer, while they are doing their practise swing (practising their thought, even if that are standing up so straigh, they are still swinging the club o a 45 degree plane instead of swing the club 90degree off the ground.

 

[bts]

"Body rotation - using the hand or body???"

I believe the body, including the legs and trunk.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

oz...if i'm reading you write you're saying that good balance is a result of proper body motion and golf swing?

If that is what you're saying i agree. I always notice when i make the proper golf swing i'll end up in balance.

 

[oztrainee]

Thanks BTS

Totally agree,
As that sound very much of what my coach said to me

The golfer react to the golf ball
The golf ball react to the club

This is what he taught me about FORM FOLLOW FUNCTION...

So the question is, what do we suppose to focus on during the swing hand or the body.. As I strongly believe that our body turn is very much a reaction to our "COUNTER balance" more then turning our hip is a form of speed and power generation.
A lot of people try to think about using the source of power from the hip, and they end up losing a lot of speed and power cause of that.

No doubt, our hand is just a connector rod, but Mr. Kelley refers to as,
“educated hands”. In other words, focus on what your hands are
doing rather than what your body is doing.

Some players may have to "feel" like
the body chases the arms while others may "feel" the arms
trailing the body