BOGUS Sacred Cows of Golf?

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hue

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I have been playing golf now for about 8 years and have read most of the popular golf books and golf mags,seen the videos and had the Leadbetter/Denis Pugh lessons. There seems to have been an industry spawned on the regurgitation of information with the dominant big name teachers spouting forth their ideas and setting the standards that is golf today. A few years back it was worse when Faldo was the dominant force on tour. Over here there was only one true backswing that was taught the early wrist set sweep loading method that Faldo used. There were beach balls between the legs , towels under the arms for teaching connection and pitch shots and everything was to be "in sync" without anyone really knowing what that was meant to mean. The dog was meant to wag the tail . I had never come accross the concept of hands controlled pivot at this point as this was WRONG at the time. You should have a cupped left wrist at the top and take a shallow divot. Faldo was a big hitter and a tour star before he got Leadbettered so he was no mug to begin no one seemed to notice how much length he had lost when he had been Leadbettered . Yet his success was cleaverly attributed to his coach and a new business was spawned The Golf Coach Super Star. Other golf coaches were influenced by this and his way became the norm. But you were never really sure what his way was you only got bits of it. We the hacking public bought into this and like some kind of Amway Pyramid selling monster gone wrong helped perpetuate the desease. We all have memories of going to the golf range and seeing hackers spout forth the same rubbish that they had seen in " A lesson with......". The blind began leading the blind and WE DID NOT GET BETTER. I was a good athlete at school and also got top grades . I have put a lot of effort into this game studied all the information I could get practiced it and bust my butt. But you can not know what you don't Know the best you can get is some kind of gut feel that there is more out there and there is another way and search for it. I did not improve much with what is out there. Because I am determined I managed to stumble on TGM on the GolfOpinions site and read Chuck Evans posts . They were different to the stuff I had come accross before . I thought that the stuff I had come accross did not work I think I will give his suggestions a whirl . Things got a bit better . Then Brian came along and said that most of the stuff out there that was being taught was crap. This struck a chord with me as I had exhausted the other avenues and I am sure he is right . He could be a bit more tactful though. I found out that The cupped wrist at the top is NOT a Sacred Cow. That you would be better off with a flat one. That the concept a wide downswing was bogus. Only the other day I saw a teaching pro teaching these things at a golf range and I thought to myself " I am glad that I am not there any more. " I have just learned how to fade the ball" See Bunker play post" after years of not being able to do it the Leadbetter way but still trying. I did it Brians way and the results were instant. I am now looking at the short game differently in fact I am now questioning all the Sacred Cows of golf. As I have found that many of these Sacred Cows are flawed.


WHAT OTHER SACRED COWS OF GOLF ARE BOGUS?



The world was thought to be flat for years . Most of us are looking at golf wrong it is time to straighten things out and get a real perspective. Over to you.
 
I agree fully. I have found real success with ideas from Brian, Jim Mclean, and John Dunigan. The key is knowing what YOU need to do and not trying to make THE golf swing. THE golf swing doesn't exist. There is no "perfect swing". Everyone has THEIR OWN perfect swing and can work towards it.

PS: I find it funny that Leadbetter's students don't really do what he says. Wide downswing? Yeah right. Check out CHIII. There isn't anything wide about that.
 

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WHAT OTHER SACRED COWS OF GOLF ARE BOGUS?



I would say Pelz. As I said in another post here, not everything he says is wrong, which is THE problem with all the sacred cows....
 
IMHO In the end the best way is to view the swings of the great players past and present and learn / emulate what you can. Like tennis all that counts is impact. There are many styles to get one there.
I like what Brian has to say. Get a good grip and learn to swing "under the stick". Hogan, Norman, Snead, Garcia all swing this way.
 
In 20 years of golfing there is one thing I think remains the same. Your body is very rarely doing what your mind thinks it is when swinging the club! That is why one man's treasure is another man's trash. Good instructors often have to fool their students into making the right moves. The self-taught ones beat their brains out thinking they are making the right moves, but "just can't quite get it" When in fact they are actually nowhere near getting it.
Does that make a sacred cow bogus, if it doesn't work for you?? ABSOLUTELY!!
 
David Pelz technique for the most part is rubbish. I happened to see one of his clinics while I was waiting to tee off and his instructors had everybody chipping off of their back foot. I know somebody who attended this and he can make good contact, but he has to compensate, otherwise he would hit to the right and the club is so delofted he can only chip with gap wedge, sw and lw. If they chip with a 9 iron the ball ends up well past the green.
 
Hue,

There is no question that much of what is written/taught today is flawed. But with all due respect Faldo was a completely different player post Leadbetter than before. What he worked on was great for him and did help many others after. I also agree that not all students due as the instructor would wish. Look at Toms, He has a very "wide" downswing with minimal lag but is still able to sustain at impact. Just as you shouldn't accept everything an instructor has to say as the gospal neither should you dismiss it. Learn from everyone you can, and your game will be the better for it.

Redgoat
 
In another topic this was touched on.

As for Golf Instruction I would agree with Redgoat summary.

I would also agree with redan, about Pelz, even have autographed copies of his books, but for the life of me too many words.

What I find remarkable is that sources for golf instruction seems to have been better 20 to 30 years ago.

The question that needs to be asked IMO, if golf instruction is so lousy, then why aren't the customers demanding better quality?

If there was a demand by the customers for better golf instruction, would it come about?

Seems like most products sold today have a xx day money back guarantee, maybe it is time for customers to use that.

My experience has shown that most golfers don't know or understand their golf swing. That is a problem. Makes it hard for the student to demand good instruction when the student does know his own swing. JMO.
 
The key is being able to decipher what applies to you and deal away with everything else.

A lot of the instruction is so general. It's hard for an instructor to tell write something specifically tailored to you if he can't see your preferences, tendencies, ball flight, body type, etc. It's like taking clubs form off the shelf at Wal-Mart and expecting them to be fit to your swing. They will be okay to start with, but as you get better you will need clubs fitted to your swing. Likewise, you will need instruction fit to your swing. Seeing a pro in person is the best bet.
 
quote:Originally posted by ragman

The key is being able to decipher what applies to you and deal away with everything else.

A lot of the instruction is so general. It's hard for an instructor to tell write something specifically tailored to you if he can't see your preferences, tendencies, ball flight, body type, etc. It's like taking clubs form off the shelf at Wal-Mart and expecting them to be fit to your swing. They will be okay to start with, but as you get better you will need clubs fitted to your swing. Likewise, you will need instruction fit to your swing. Seeing a pro in person is the best bet.

That's a good analogy....
 

bonk

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I think we've all been there. We dismiss a pro's advice. A few years later, you realize that they were right, it's just that you weren't ready to understand, trust it, or have it in your swing at the time.
 
I took my 14 year old son in for a 30 min lesson with a "PGA" certified teacher and the guy did not even look at this grip - had him hit balls and told him to make a bigger shoulder turn and "whip" the club through the ball................

I really believe I can teach the concepts I've learned to my ownssons rather than wasting money on the pGA certified teachers. Although I can;t always "do" what I'm teaching them I can pass on the basic concepts I've learned.

My 11 year old is busting the ball after just a few range sessions concentrating on hitting down on the ball and and an in to out swing.
 

EdZ

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kids tend to have decent swings.... best to just get them in front of good players, let them watch, and they will be on the right track. Had a girl in a clinic a few weeks back, 12 or 13 I think.... her FIRST day of playing, and her swing was outstanding.

Big shoulder turn, and whip it, aren't bad things to tell a kid (or anyone really). You have to start with motion, and avoid too much detail. The better they get, the more specific the instruction. Assuming his grip was in the ballpark, I wouldn't fault the guy too much, but I know what you mean.
 
quote:Originally posted by rbaumgolf

I took my 14 year old son in for a 30 min lesson with a "PGA" certified teacher and the guy did not even look at this grip - had him hit balls and told him to make a bigger shoulder turn and "whip" the club through the ball................

I really believe I can teach the concepts I've learned to my ownssons rather than wasting money on the pGA certified teachers. Although I can;t always "do" what I'm teaching them I can pass on the basic concepts I've learned.

My 11 year old is busting the ball after just a few range sessions concentrating on hitting down on the ball and and an in to out swing.

Don't be afraid to teach your son ( if he listens ). Remember when Mr, Stewart left his son in the hands of Chuck Cook... "this is his swing...don't change it." or Furyks dad giving him a US Open swing. I only wish Garcia stayed with dad instead of changing like the experts said he should. The teaching profession needs a radical overhaul.
 

hue

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I spoke to Garcia's dad at the Open when he was playing with and handing Tiger a golf lesson. I said that he had done a good job with him " Sergio" and that he was out playing Tiger. I don't think his English is too good but he came over as a really nice guy. I thought Sergio's dad was a golf pro. Are you sure that he is not working with him in making the changes? Also does anyone know what he is working on?
 
quote:Originally posted by EdStraker


David Pelz technique for the most part is rubbish. I happened to see one of his clinics while I was waiting to tee off and his instructors had everybody chipping off of their back foot. I know somebody who attended this and he can make good contact, but he has to compensate, otherwise he would hit to the right and the club is so delofted he can only chip with gap wedge, sw and lw. If they chip with a 9 iron the ball ends up well past the green.

I'm hardley a fan of the fat man but I did cover a clinic at Wyncote GC in PA a few years ago and got to observe the whole class for the story, I don't recall anyone ever chipping off the back leg. But maybe "ol' huff and puff" changed something.
 
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