Bottom of swing under left shoulder?

[cherrybarry]

If the left shoulder didn't move during the swing, then the bottom of the swing would be the left shoulder as long as left arm is always straight.

But the left shoulder moves up and in during the downswing so by the time the clubhead gets under the left shoulder, the bottom of the swing was already reached when the left shoulder was once lower. The left shoulder moves up before the clubhead has gotten under it so wouldn't the bottom be somewhere before this point?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Good question Cherry and welcome to the BEST golf forum on the web!

The answer is: NOPE

The swing CAN'T get any lower than at the left shoulder (where the arm and flat left wrist can hang straight down).

How high the left shoulder is at impact only changes how LOW the swing is WHEN it gets to its lowest point.

Got it?

 

[radish]

Okay okay,
I really liked this question and answer!

Cherry, are you satisfied with this answer?
I really like the explanation, but am wondering if anybody disagrees?

How about Dave Pelz's explanation that the low point is in the middle of the stance? (okay, I know that Pelz isn't a guru, but...)

 

[cherrybarry]

quote:Originally posted by radish

Okay okay,
I really liked this question and answer!

Cherry, are you satisfied with this answer?
I really like the explanation, but am wondering if anybody disagrees?

How about Dave Pelz's explanation that the low point is in the middle of the stance? (okay, I know that Pelz isn't a guru, but...)

The left shoulder is at a higher position once the left arm gets under it than when the left arm was more in front of the body. When I putt, I can't place it off my left shoulder and expect to hit it at the bottom of the arc,

 

[radish]

quote:Originally posted by radish

Okay okay,
I really liked this question and answer!

Cherry, are you satisfied with this answer?
I really like the explanation, but am wondering if anybody disagrees?

How about Dave Pelz's explanation that the low point is in the middle of the stance? (okay, I know that Pelz isn't a swing guru, but...)

 

[ping]

Are there instructors out there that teach that the low point is not the outside of the left shoulder?

 

[Brian Manzella]

There are all kinds of teachers that teach center of chest...

...they flunked geometry in HS

 

[RedAnchor]

Would a player with wider shoulders than normal need to play the ball further foward to allow a proper pivot to the left side ? And what are the sure signs of playing the ball to far back in the stance ?

 

[Brian Manzella]

red...first question: YES

second question: BAll starts too far to the right or golfer flips left wrist to hit it straight or too deep divots, etc.

 

[RedAnchor]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

red...first question: YES

second question: BAll starts too far to the right or golfer flips left wrist to hit it straight or too deep divots, etc.

Thanks,
I'd say you have nailed the problems I've been having with my short irons, fallen into the trap of the mid stance rubbish.

 

[Brian Manzella]

You are very welcome.

 

[RedAnchor]

Have been playing the ball forward in the stance for all shots by making sure the ball is 1" behind my low point, this felt awfully forward to start but the improvement in ball striking has been considerably better and picking the ball clean off the turf with irons and no chunked chips at last and a much improved and more balanced pivot.
One more question on a different subject, nearly all my shots with woods are slightly off the toe and higher on the face than normal, my mistakes are push to right, what causes the toe shot with woods only ?

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Good question Cherry and welcome to the BEST golf forum on the web!

The answer is: NOPE

The swing CAN'T get any lower than at the left shoulder (where the arm and flat left wrist can hang straight down).

How high the left shoulder is at impact only changes how LOW the swing is WHEN it gets to its lowest point.

Got it?

Brian, is it as simple as right shoulder replaces location of left shoulder at impact??

 

[Brian Manzella]

Not really but ask me a slightlt different way...if you could...

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Not really but ask me a slightlt different way...if you could...

Lets see, if my ball position is correct, say even with left arm pit. If I turn my left shoulder past this spot when at the top of my swing, is it safe to assume that the low point of my swing will be in this spot when my right shoulder replaces where my left was? I remember Faxon and Gring talk about this I think.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Nope.

It is still the left shoulder or beyond.

 

[6bee1dee]

This is because we are still hitting down on the ball...sustaining a lag or driving to an aiming point....?? Would ball position always be best at low point or just to the left of it?