Brian and others Help w/ My Golf Swing (video link)

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mitchdoc

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Well Winter in Canada is coming to an end and my course might open in a few weeks so it is time to try to get my swing into shape.

I am a 6 hcp who fights pushed and hooks but is generally a pretty good ball striker with a mediocre short game.
I have been videoing my swing and there are things I don't like:

I feel like I might have a bit of a flat shoulder turn and often a too long swing which crosses the line at the top. I also collapse my arms and lose my width. I have heard about extensor action a zillion times but when doing it I feel so tight and unnatural that my ballstriking suffers tremendously in terms of contact and distance. My goals aren't to have a picture perfect swing but to tighten it up and become more consistent.

I am providing a link to some video I shot today to illustrate my problems. I only was able to shoot down the line. I would appreciate feedback (both positive & Negative ) and drillls.

FWIW I have flipper and some of Brian's other videos.
If Brian can provide some help I would be most honoured!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=brrSXz00jCM

Mitch
 
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mitchdoc

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I have been working on the short game as well and made great strides very late in the season but our golf season is really mostly may-October so havent seen longterm scoring benefits yet.
That said my long game while good still leads to a few really awry shots / round leading to 1-2 dbl bogeys. Also I never try to hit anything longer than ahybrid from the deck given my swing with long clubs off the deck is problematic. It means I end up laying up on most par 5's that I have the distance to reach.

I think with my improved short game I should see myself get down to a 4 -5 hcp this year all else being equal. I peak at a 6 but spend a good part of early season as a 7-8. An improved swing would have me thinking bout 2-3 strokes lower still.
 
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Medici999

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getting across the line mate like myself....i need to work on that to. looks a bit narrow at the top. but just my opinion
 
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lookingtolearn

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Here's my advice, take it FWIW

I am a 6 hcp who fights pushed and hooks but is generally a pretty good ball striker with a mediocre short game.
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If you fight hooks and pushes, you are likely underplane and not open enough at impact. Try these "feels" (one at at time):

1. Feel like you are moving your right shoulder to your left heel on the downswing

2. Make sure your hands never pass your belt buckle on the downswing

3. Try and get your left shoulder as far away from the ball as possible at impact

I feel like I might have a bit of a flat shoulder turn and often a too long swing which crosses the line at the top.
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IF you want to try and shorten your swing, feel like your left thumb doesn't go higher than your right shoulder on your backswing. As far as your shoulder turn, I personally wouldn't try and steepen just yet. If, after you try these other things, you still want to, there are a bunch of "feels" you can do for that to.

I have heard about extensor action a zillion times but when doing it I feel so tight and unnatural that my ballstriking suffers tremendously in terms of contact and distance.
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Don't do it then.:D

Again, these are just my thoughts, and it is hard to tell with only one angle. But I'm pretty sure none of these "feels" will hurt you.
 
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mitchdoc

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thanks for the reply I am going to try to focus on the hands one with thumb no higher than right shoulder and on getting my left shoulder as far from the ball as possible.
As for the crossing the line at the top what c an I do? In the video if you freeze it early on I seem to have good alignments but it all breaks down near the end.
 
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mitchdoc said:
Well Winter in Canada is coming to an end and my course might open in a few weeks so it is time to try to get my swing into shape.

I am a 6 hcp who fights pushed and hooks but is generally a pretty good ball striker with a mediocre short game.
I have been videoing my swing and there are things I don't like:

I feel like I might have a bit of a flat shoulder turn and often a too long swing which crosses the line at the top. I also collapse my arms and lose my width. I have heard about extensor action a zillion times but when doing it I feel so tight and unnatural that my ballstriking suffers tremendously in terms of contact and distance. My goals aren't to have a picture perfect swing but to tighten it up and become more consistent.

I am providing a link to some video I shot today to illustrate my problems. I only was able to shoot down the line. I would appreciate feedback (both positive & Negative ) and drillls.

FWIW I have flipper and some of Brian's other videos.
If Brian can provide some help I would be most honoured!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=brrSXz00jCM

Mitch
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You look more of a 1 planer, be careful of "advice" you get here, mix and try to match swings and you'll be posting threads all over the place. Good luck
 
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mitchdoc

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I am on the shorter side and I think my pivot is more rotational ala 1 planer but I dont knwo how to blend the right arm/club movement with it going back
 
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Brian Manzella

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One Planer?

This is what I get for building my house from 6am to 7pm every day the last few weeks.....

Lets start with your backswing.

You take the club back FAR TOO OUTSIDE for me, lets go more in to start with.

Try to make the butt of the club stay the same distance from you body as you swing away.

Post up the new swing, and we'll whittle away at it.

(Pay attention Cobra, you'll learn something)
 
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mitchdoc

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Brian Manzella said:
This is what I get for building my house from 6am to 7pm every day the last few weeks.....

Lets start with your backswing.

You take the club back FAR TOO OUTSIDE for me, lets go more in to start with.

Try to make the butt of the club stay the same distance from you body as you swing away.

Post up the new swing, and we'll whittle away at it.

(Pay attention Cobra, you'll learn something)
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Thanks Brian will post more video later this week. Too cold to hit balls today as is only 30's.
Assuming I move the club properly more in at start of backswing, how do I get it moving up the plane properly to the top without a contrived lifting motion. Also I struggle with proper forearm rotation which I think is part of my crossing the line issue.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
This is what I get for building my house from 6am to 7pm every day the last few weeks.....

Lets start with your backswing.

You take the club back FAR TOO OUTSIDE for me, lets go more in to start with.

Try to make the butt of the club stay the same distance from you body as you swing away.

Post up the new swing, and we'll whittle away at it.

(Pay attention Cobra, you'll learn something)
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Geeez, all I was trying to say was don't mix 1 and 2ps unless you what you are doing. Or it'll be a long hard search.:eek:
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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It's not that they are not factually incorrect, it's just essentially he created two patterns and is trying to lump everyone into them. So the two patterns work fine as is for the people they fit. But the problem is that you are going to have people whose "optimal" pattern, FOR THEM, will be NEITHER of Hard's patterns; it will be something else.
 
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dbl

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And don't forget cobra460, Hardy winds up also saying that plenty of people (even among the pro players) have hybrid strokes in which they ARE "mixing" components (and which are working fine for them). Blech, for several reasons.
 
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dbl said:
And don't forget cobra460, Hardy winds up also saying that plenty of people (even among the pro players) have hybrid strokes in which they ARE "mixing" components (and which are working fine for them). Blech, for several reasons.
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I am not saying it can't be done, I know there's alot of it going on, but being one who has been "mixing" for a long time and didn't realize it,and didn't know why things were different everyday, it was hell. I made this game even harder because of that.
 
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dbl

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We're getting offtopic of course, so we ought to end it soon, as it's not helping MitchDoc I suppose. You first stated "don't mix" and apparently that wasn't just a koolaid addiction but borne of personal experience. However, even if it's tough for some, mixing components COULD be an easier way to play for others and I think you overlook these cases.

The two extreme stroke patterns and 2 (I think) hyrbid combos are surely going to miss being applicable to a bunch of golfers, and by contrast this site's philosophy centers on customizing strokes for a particular player, using the Manzella Matrix.
 
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mitchdoc

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Brian Manzella said:
This is what I get for building my house from 6am to 7pm every day the last few weeks.....

Lets start with your backswing.

You take the club back FAR TOO OUTSIDE for me, lets go more in to start with.

Try to make the butt of the club stay the same distance from you body as you swing away.

Post up the new swing, and we'll whittle away at it.

(Pay attention Cobra, you'll learn something)
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While I don't have video to show it I got in 14 holes before dark today and second round of the year. I focused on standing a bit clser to the ball as it appeared on my video my arms were hanging too far way. I also focuse on a more inside takeaway.

WOW!!!
Every drive was striped. Consistently 250-260 carry and dead straight, only missing fairways due to strong cross winds. Couldn't assess distances given this is the only club open and conditions were soft so little roll. I also had 3 birdies and played the 14 holes in 1 over including a 3 putt and a ball lost in the water on a thinned approach shot.
I will hope to get some video by next week to show what I am working on, but thanks!
 
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