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Byron Nelson Swing Analysis by Brian Manzella
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jpvegas1
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Well done Brian:
Looking at the swing and listening to your analysis I saw and heard many of the precepts hat you have taught, or at least tried to teach me. I can see from Byron's address that his upper back is more rounded and neck definitely closer to parallel to the ground than many of the top players of today. Also on his backswing as his hips and pelvis rotate his right knee is straightening violating Leadbetter's principle of maintaining the flexion.
Brian did I hear you correctly that to find the elbow plane you look at impact fix and draw the lines in that position?
I'm still a little confused by the term "snap release" could you talk a little bit about what is a snap release.
On photographs this swing gives the appearance of simplicity and repeatability and I can only imagine that it would show even more on film.
Looking at the swing and listening to your analysis I saw and heard many of the precepts hat you have taught, or at least tried to teach me. I can see from Byron's address that his upper back is more rounded and neck definitely closer to parallel to the ground than many of the top players of today. Also on his backswing as his hips and pelvis rotate his right knee is straightening violating Leadbetter's principle of maintaining the flexion.
Brian did I hear you correctly that to find the elbow plane you look at impact fix and draw the lines in that position?
I'm still a little confused by the term "snap release" could you talk a little bit about what is a snap release.
On photographs this swing gives the appearance of simplicity and repeatability and I can only imagine that it would show even more on film.
rchang72
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Brian, when you advocate a more neutral left hand grip, where would you put your thumb? From TGM, it advocates a 3:00 position for the left thumb,PP#3(12:00 the top of the shaft, line from 12:00 to 6:00 being in line with the clubface). But the grip shown in Hogan's 5 lessons, it would be about 1:00. Should you separate the thumb more to reach 3:00 position?
Brian Manzella
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Nah, no problem to do both.
birdie_man
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Thumb is at 3:00ish at Impact Fix....so when you go back to a normal address position the thumb isn't THAT right of centre.....more like 1:00ish at address......3:00 at Impact.
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tongzilla
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Nothing in The Golfing Machine says anything about the thumb being at a 3 o'clock position. If you take your grip at Impact Fix, the right thumb should be facing down the Angle of Approach. This is "aft". Now if you go back to Standard Address with a Bent Left Wrist and a Flat Right Wrist, your thumb should be approximately "1 to 2 o'clock".
Burner
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Do not dwell too much on the position of the thumb: it is of secondary importance.
Focus instead on pp#1 and pp#3 ensuring that they are both in line and directly behind, aft of, whichever line of thrust you are using - be that Angle of Approach, Delivery Path or Sweet Spot plane line.
Focus instead on pp#1 and pp#3 ensuring that they are both in line and directly behind, aft of, whichever line of thrust you are using - be that Angle of Approach, Delivery Path or Sweet Spot plane line.
Brian : In the video "Byron Nelson's Timeless Golf Lessons" he says that one of the main keys to his accuracy was his leg a knee action where he recommends having both knees flexed at impact. IYO did he have a point ? Can you go into the advantages and disadvantages of this. Also he seems to have a Manzella address position with the rounded upper back with his head looking directly at the ball.
Ryan Smither
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What other tour players double shift?
Tom Bartlett
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Nick Faldo, John Daly (triple shift), Nick Price, Greg Norman to name a few. Quite a few guys on tour are on elbow plane at impact.
Ryan Smither
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Is a triple shift elbow plane to shoulder plane back to elbow plane?
Brian Manzella
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Nice job, Butch, and very correct.
Jim Kobylinski
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No that that would be a double shift.
Elbow to Turned Shoulder = 1 shift
Turned Shoulder to Elbow = 2 shift
birdie_man
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You mean Elbow to TSP back to Elbow = 2
Brian Manzella
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In Memory of Mr. Nelson...
Proving the viability of STANDARD ADDRESS, with ahnds on the ELBOW PLANE at address, and the CLASSIC Double Shift.
Proving the viability of STANDARD ADDRESS, with ahnds on the ELBOW PLANE at address, and the CLASSIC Double Shift.
Frame 3 shows twistaway and Frame 6 shows Nelson maintaining the twist on the downswing. Reading Nelson's instruction, no mention is made of any conscious hand movement. In fact, he talks of curing shanking by "not rolling the hands, but taking them back square" or words to that effect. Is this how twistaway prevents the shank?
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