Can someone explain Plane Line, Target Line, and where the butt of the club points

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lia41985

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FROM THE GOLFING MACHINE:

"...no matter what plane angle you shift to whichever end of the club is nearest the ground must also point at the base of the plane. If neither end is closer then the clubshaft must be horizontal to the ground and parallel to the base line."

Why must the club point to the target line? Are the plane and target line synonymous?

BUT SOME OTHER INSTRUCTORS SAY:

"...The base of the higher dowel is now pointing outside the base of the flight line dowel on the ground ñ that is, where we want to be."


These two ideas seem to be conflicting each other--which one is right, and which one is wrong?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Imagine a pitched roof with a gutter. The gutter is the base of the plane/target line. No matter the pitch angle of the roof it always points at the gutter.
 
"...no matter what plane angle you shift to whichever end of the club is nearest the ground must also point at the base of the plane. If neither end is closer then the clubshaft must be horizontal to the ground and parallel to the base line." --http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruction/6115-plane-talk-an-interview-with-chuck-evans

Why must the club point to the target line? Are the plane and target line synonymous?
On the same site, Paul Smith writes, "The base of the higher dowel is now pointing outside the base of the flight line dowel on the ground ñ that is, where we want to be." Evans and Smith seem to be conflicting each other--who's right, who's wrong?

Thanks in advance.


For a straightforward shot the ball-to-target line is the plane line.

During a swingers downswing, the sweetspot-to- PP3 imaginary line is the line of force created by a lagging clubhead ( the connection between the centre of gravity of the clubhead and the part of your hand that experiences the inertial lagging force of the clubhead) .

If you want to hit the centre of the ball with the sweetspot "on plane" then this force should be directed at the centre of the ball. Hence the Plane line and target line intersect at impact . For a straight shot they are the same line.... for a hook or slice they are angled closed or open.

As Homer Kelley wrote in chapter 2 F of TGM...only read this bit if your are interested in the book as well as your game! ( it sounds complicated but if you break it down it is straight forward)...

"Regardless of where the Clubshaft and Clubhead are joined together, it always feels as if they are joined at the Sweet Spot, the longitudinal center of gravity, the line of the pull of Centrifugal Force. So, there is a "Clubshaft" Plane and a "Sweet Spot," or "Swing," Plane. But herein, unless otherwise noted, "Plane Angle" and "Plane Line" always refer to the Center of Gravity application. (Study 2-N.) Except during Impact, the Clubshaft can travel on, or to-and-from, either Plane because Clubshaft rotation must be around the Sweet Spot, not vice versa. So Clubhead "Feel" is Sweet Spot feel for #3 Pressure Point sensing functions. If Lag Pressure is lost, the Hands tend to start the hosel (instead of the Sweet Spot) toward Impact - that mysterious "Shank." . When in doubt, "Turn" the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and the Sweet Spot will be on the same Plane at the Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point. (Study 6-C-2-A.) Except for Impact, the Clubshaft is an acceptable Visual Equivalent for both Planes, especially if the Clubface is Turned "On Plane."
There are some very simple but very accurate checks for being "On Plane." Whenever the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground, it must also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane, which is usually (but not always) the Line of Flight also. Otherwise, the end of the Club that is closest to the ground must be pointing at the base line of the Inclined Plane - or extensions of that line, even if they must be extended to the horizon. Precision is lost unless Start Up is a Three Dimensional parallel to the Three Dimensional Impact, i.e., the Clubhead moves Backward, Upward, and Inward, On Plane, INSTANTLY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY --the Right Forearm Takeaway. (See 3-F-5 and 7-13)"
 

lia41985

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Can someone explain this further?:
"So Clubhead "Feel" is Sweet Spot feel for #3 Pressure Point sensing functions. If Lag Pressure is lost, the Hands tend to start the hosel (instead of the Sweet Spot) toward Impact - that mysterious "Shank." . When in doubt, "Turn" the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and the Sweet Spot will be on the same Plane at the Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point."
 
Imagine the club head and shaft flat against the inclined roof (plane) on the backswing. If you were to lag the shaft the hosel would get to the ball first (a shank) the clubface sweet spot would not have rotated properly to the ball.
 

Brian Manzella

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Homer.

"...Visualize the PATH OF THE CLUBHEAD THROUGH AND
BEYOND IMPACT...Then be sure you actually see the proper blur of the Clubhead passage through Release." —Homer Kelley
 

lia41985

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Brian, any chance you're coming to Boston? I'm kicking myself everyday for not being able to make it down to Louisville to see you.
 

lia41985

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Can someone please explain this:
"When in doubt, 'Turn' the Clubface so both the Clubshaft and the Sweet Spot will be on the same Plane at the Start Down. Both Planes always pass through the Lag Pressure Point."
 
My understanding of this is basic so please take it at that level until a pro chips in...

Imagine the "explanar" style device... it controls shaft plane throughout most of the swing ( to some degree at least ...) but at the top of the swing there is a " fin" which acts to force the shaft onto a certain plane... ie the whole of the shaft lies flat on the "fin"... this is the plane seen in TGM.

Now at the top of backswing the sweetspot could be lying on the "fin" ... or it could be off the plane board "fin"... as in a ( traditionally described) closed clubface at the top ... see Lee Trevino photos on here somewhere.

At startdown , for swinger, you want the shaft plane and sweetspot plane on the same part of the plane board... so that down the line the blade of the club is hidden by the hosel...

Hosel, sweet spot and shaft all on same plane angle...

Good for a centrifugal force driven sequenced release...

At least that is what i think it means...
 
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