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Can someone look at this swing?
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Looks good jerry!
There was no link for a while. I was attempting to be humorous, apologies.
There was no link for a while. I was attempting to be humorous, apologies.
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Your club head is shut (closed) going back, and your path is very up and down.
I don't think it could hurt by rotating your left arm clockwise on the way back. You'll "square up" the face and have a little more managable path on the way down.
Have any complaints, or frequent misses?
I don't think it could hurt by rotating your left arm clockwise on the way back. You'll "square up" the face and have a little more managable path on the way down.
Have any complaints, or frequent misses?
Sorry, but I completely disagree savydan. I like his backswing a lot; the up and down look is just a steeper plane angle on the downswing than most are used to seeing. Jack Nicklaus had a similar look.
Jerry, I'd say you need to learn to get some more axis tilt in the downswing. Some kind of counterfall move would help you tremendously. Brian, Jim, or Kevin chiming in here would be great, but I'm pretty sure that if you could learn the counterfall Brian talks about in the Soft Draw Pattern video, you'd see a lot less pulls than I'm sure you currently do.
Jerry, I'd say you need to learn to get some more axis tilt in the downswing. Some kind of counterfall move would help you tremendously. Brian, Jim, or Kevin chiming in here would be great, but I'm pretty sure that if you could learn the counterfall Brian talks about in the Soft Draw Pattern video, you'd see a lot less pulls than I'm sure you currently do.
That was my thought as well. The "closed" face going back turns into almost toe-down by top of backswing anyway. I wonder if being even a little less open by the top might help?
I can see what you mean about adding some tilt.
I also wonder if a finish with a bit more "one more point" per SD might help through impact?
Jerry, did I miss the description somewhere about whether you were trying SD pattern? Just curious.
niblick (offering just my $.02 as a non-teacher but as someone who has watched SD video about 20 times now)
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I like the backswing too. Adding to what holeout suggested, I think a little more "left thumb under, elbow under thumb" near the finish would help as well.
The downswing plane needs to be flattened out. It's above the shoulder on the neck. A face-on view would help to see how best that could be done.
I am not as concerned about the early shut face as the downswing plane. But rotating his left arm wedge a la NHA wouldn't hurt him.
True, he could probably could use a little more axis tilt. Frankly, I'd like to see a face on before I gave someone that advice. Maybe explain what and how to do it in the context of his swing.
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1. Thanks for posting a swing that doesn't start with 30 seconds of addressing the ball and waggling. Seriously - everyone should model their uploads on your model.
2. I'd like to see a bit more dynamic pivot, a bit more axis tilt. I think adding these might also give you the flatter downswing plane that savydan (rightly) calls for.
2. I'd like to see a bit more dynamic pivot, a bit more axis tilt. I think adding these might also give you the flatter downswing plane that savydan (rightly) calls for.
Flattened out? No. I vehemently disagree. There is nothing wrong with that plane angle. It worked for this guy...
And if you look at his other videos, there's one of him face on.
Counterfall and axis tilt are what he needs. At the very least part of what he needs. Plane angle is fine.
Didn't mean to be harsh. Sorry it came across that way. But I think his backswing is just fine. I think adjusting the pivot and adding some more axis tilt with some counterfall is the first move, then see how things progress from there. You may well be right that he needs to add a shift back to the elbow plane on the downswing, but for now I think it should be left alone. Fair enough?
Two things.One...Jack had a unique swing that nobody on tour at the time could copy succesfully and nobody since.Just because it worked for him doesn't mean it makes it ok for most players.
Two....Jack did not come OTT like Jerry does even though it "appears" Jack comes down on the shoulder plane.
Two....Jack did not come OTT like Jerry does even though it "appears" Jack comes down on the shoulder plane.
1.Adjusting the pivot- Please explain
2.more axis tilt- are you saying I am standing to upright?
3.counterfall?
4. I have been working on rotating my left arm more in the backswing!
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Never did I ever say Jerry should "copy" Jack's swing. But to try and flatten out his swing, either backswing or downswing, would be a huge mistake, in my opinion.
And I never said it was ok for most players, either.
By adjusting your pivot I simply mean adding the axis tilt on the downswing, with the counterfall.
Axis tilt is referring to, in simple terms, the line drawn from your tailbone to the base of your neck (think face-on view). On the downswing, all good swings have at least some axis tilt added at some point. You simply need your tailbone closer to the target than the base of your neck at impact.
Counterfall is a move that is done in the transition from backswing to downswing, and was coined by David Lee of Gravity Golf fame. I'm not going to be able to describe it well enough, but do a search of Brian's posts for a description. It's described really well in his Soft Draw video, too.
Don't start over-rotating your left arm going back. Please. Try these adjustments first. And buy Soft Draw. Skip the backswing stuff (you already do most of it) and just focus on everything else. I think it'd do you a lot of good.
Edit: Do a search for "Underhanded Javelin Throw." It's also in the Soft Draw video and I think that combined with the counterfall would help you tremendously.
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