Can't believe they even published it!

[kc8kir]

This one took me by suprise...

New generation of tour stars should focus more on instincts and less on video - Tours & News - Golf.com

A ray of sunshine in an otherwise clouded world.

 

[ej20]

I agree with that article.A lot of young geniuses ruined by instructors wanting a piece of fame.Danny Lee was going well and now is off the map trying to "improve" his swing.

I see the same happening with Fowler and Mcilroy unfortunately.I think there is a reason why no player under the age of 30 has won a major recently besides Tiger.Too many so called great teachers around to spoil the broth.Didn't have as many back in the day.

Tiger is without a doubt the greatest talent ever by a huge margin.His game is basically "unruinable" due to his depth of talent.Any other player would be back working in a pro shop chopping and changing his swing as much as Tiger.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I agree poor coaching has stunted talent. Look at Els. Shouldve won ten majors if he didnt change a thing in 94.

 

[needham]

consider the source........the article was written by Brandle. He has all the shots from the studio, yet none on the course. If he did, he would still be playing.

 

[vjsinger]

I think this is one of the most intelligent articles Brandle has ever written, not saying much, but it is what it is. Perhaps Brandle would still be playing if it were not for the slow death of lead poison(leadbetter) he received. Maybe this is the actual motivator of this article??

 

[Brian Manzella]

Video Blows.

I call 'em like I see 'em.

Brandel, I have disagreed with you often in the past, but this time...A+++

 

[Steve Khatib]

The point to understand here is this: It is ultimately important to have an instructor that understands ball flight and to instruct to factors that influence this rather than a method or 2Dimensional video program.
Let them have their own style. I am glad Brandel did not say to not to have an instructor as many dummies say not to have instruction, rather than knowing to select the right one.

 

[needham]

I think this is one of the most intelligent articles Brandle has ever written, not saying much, but it is what it is. Perhaps Brandle would still be playing if it were not for the slow death of lead poison(leadbetter) he received. Maybe this is the actual motivator of this article??

I do agree, but MAN it is hard to agree with Brandle, LOL.

 

[mb6606]

Tiger is without a doubt the greatest talent ever by a huge margin.His game is basically "unruinable" due to his depth of talent.Any other player would be back working in a pro shop chopping and changing his swing as much as Tiger.

Michelle Wie was a greater talent than Tiger at a similar age. Wie at age 14 nearly making the cut of a PGA tour event unbelievable. She is the poster child of over instruction.

 

[Richie3Jack]

I'm really not sure why anybody here would agree with this. Chamblee is basically saying you don't need a teacher and you don't need video. This is a golf instruction Web site. Agreeing with this is like saying we wouldn't need Brian to help us.

I find there's this irrational logic that golfers have to develop the swing 'naturally.' I was talking about this the other day with a friend...what is so pleasurable for me about playing golf now is that the mysteries have GREATLY faded away on the shots I hit. Today I hit a shot that started out slightly right of the target and drew well left of the target. With the new ball flight laws and D-Plane it's no longer a mystery to me at the very basic level what happened with the clubhead and clubface at impact.

I cannot tell you how much of a GIGANTIC relief it is for me to know this. And I have a lot of people to thank, particularly Brian for helping me understand this.

I won't claim that I'm a great ballstriker, but I do hit about 12 GIR on average on courses that have about 140 slopes and I don't miss many fairways. I didn't just wake up one day with this swing. It took a lot of hard work, but more importantly I needed to study the swing and get help from the right people and the right Web sites to just get here, because if I wanted to improve my swing 'naturally' and by 'judging the flight of the golf ball', I don't have the ability to do it.

Young golfers aren't winning majors for many reasons, but the video camera isn't one of them. Guys lose their swings for many reasons, but the video camera isn't one of them. Give me a mediocre or flawed instruction and give him a camcorder and he'll still be mediocre. Take away the camcorder and they'll be mediocre. Give them Trackman, 6-degree 3D motion machine, a SAM Puttlab and they will STILL be mediocre.

It's hard agreeing with Chamblee because guys like him really don't want to see ANY changes made in the golf swing or they will call it 'too technical.' Believe me, it's these type of people that would want Kevin Shields to ignore instruction from Brian and never buy a Trackman.

It's not the video, it's the instructor.




3JACK

 

[adamscot89]

I usually don't but I have to agree with Brandel, you have to find a teacher that works on ball flight and results as motivators (ie the Manzella Academy) and not hitting positions in a line drawing program. I think that Rickie Fowler is an excellent example of someone who will do great on tour with a unique swing and style. He seems a little too brash and stubborn (in a good way) to get over taught and messed up. I hope that I am right about that anyways.

 

[Steve Khatib]

I'm really not sure why anybody here would agree with this. Chamblee is basically saying you don't need a teacher and you don't need video. This is a golf instruction Web site. Agreeing with this is like saying we wouldn't need Brian to help us.

I find there's this irrational logic that golfers have to develop the swing 'naturally.' I was talking about this the other day with a friend...what is so pleasurable for me about playing golf now is that the mysteries have GREATLY faded away on the shots I hit. Today I hit a shot that started out slightly right of the target and drew well left of the target. With the new ball flight laws and D-Plane it's no longer a mystery to me at the very basic level what happened with the clubhead and clubface at impact.

I cannot tell you how much of a GIGANTIC relief it is for me to know this. And I have a lot of people to thank, particularly Brian for helping me understand this.

I won't claim that I'm a great ballstriker, but I do hit about 12 GIR on average on courses that have about 140 slopes and I don't miss many fairways. I didn't just wake up one day with this swing. It took a lot of hard work, but more importantly I needed to study the swing and get help from the right people and the right Web sites to just get here, because if I wanted to improve my swing 'naturally' and by 'judging the flight of the golf ball', I don't have the ability to do it.

Young golfers aren't winning majors for many reasons, but the video camera isn't one of them. Guys lose their swings for many reasons, but the video camera isn't one of them. Give me a mediocre or flawed instruction and give him a camcorder and he'll still be mediocre. Take away the camcorder and they'll be mediocre. Give them Trackman, 6-degree 3D motion machine, a SAM Puttlab and they will STILL be mediocre.

It's hard agreeing with Chamblee because guys like him really don't want to see ANY changes made in the golf swing or they will call it 'too technical.' Believe me, it's these type of people that would want Kevin Shields to ignore instruction from Brian and never buy a Trackman.

It's not the video, it's the instructor.




3JACK

I dont totally agree as Brandel did stay to work on fundementals. I think these fundementals are basically D-plane.

 

[Chip Putterman]

Michelle Wie is not the poster child for over instruction. She's won tournaments and is still active on Tour. The poster child for over instruction, with his trainers, psychologists, dressers, and PR agents was Ty Tryon...or should I say "Die Try'n".

 

[Richie3Jack]

I dont totally agree as Brandel did stay to work on fundementals. I think these fundementals are basically D-plane.

Here's the problem. Ask these questions first:

Does anybody here think Brandel has any idea what D-Plane is?

Does anybody here think that if D-Plane was explained to Brandel that he would embrace it?

Does anybody think that that if D-Plane was explained to Brandel he would claim that it the fundamentals of golf?

I'd be willing to bet that if you asked Brandel what the fundamentals are he would probably just mention grip and address position. He might go into footwork and swing plane, but I even doubt that.

THAT is the issue I have with this article. Video hasn't ruined guys. Crappy teaching has. Video helps people learn and if anything, studies have shown this. But if they are being instructed the wrong things, video just speeds up them learning those wrong things.

And...it's probably helped a few players who could look at video and what the teacher was telling them and go with the instincts that they don't like what the teacher is saying and drop them before they start ingraining that teacher's philosophies.






3JACK

 

[niblick1]

Michelle Wie is not the poster child for over instruction. She's won tournaments and is still active on Tour. The poster child for over instruction, with his trainers, psychologists, dressers, and PR agents was Ty Tryon...or should I say "Die Try'n".

LPGA wins = 1.

She was shooting a 68 at the SONY when she was, what, 14? Playing in the last group of LPGA majors at the same age. Flying the ball 50-70 yards past most of her competition then. Her golf swing was powerful and spectacular. Granted she wasn't a very good putter and had no short game (her short game has actually improved from recent coaching), but she should have bombed and gouged her way to 15 wins by now (with most LPGA set-ups, the rough is non-existent) even if she does lack a killer instinct. Some of here competition are hitting hybrids from 165. She's an actual athlete.

For me, the ultimate example of too many cooks in the kitchen on many fronts. Her early "keep your arms on front of you" modified swing looked ridiculous and totally ungolflike.

 

[softconsult]

There at least two other factors. 1) Growing through adolescence. 2) There was a nagging wrist injury as I recall.

 

[niblick1]

There at least two other factors. 1) Growing through adolescence. 2) There was a nagging wrist injury as I recall.

No doubt. And some college. And trying to make cuts in men's tournaments instead of building up confidence destroying competition. All sorts of things to point to in her development. I'm just saying if her early swing had been left untouched and she had been surrounded by different people, gotten some short game help earlier, then double digit wins by now and a few LPGA majors is what you would have expected. Modifying her early swing is a travesty. I just don't understand how you could watch her hit a driver at age 13 and think about changing her baseline swing.

I do have one other reservation about her. She may actually lack a killer instinct and have some confidence issues. She might be ok coming in 5th. I don't really know. When you watched Tiger as an amateur there was never a doubt.