"Catch the drop" Pivot on downswing

[bergsey]

Having read Brian's perfect pivot articles and viewing Never Hook Again i still have a question -

If i get to a good backswing position and try to 'catch the drop' of the club with my pivot my right knee and hip moves forwards towards the ball, filling up the space where my hands need to move through.

How do i get 'more open' at impact to 'catch the drop' without coming over the top?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Ah....there's a trick!

You have to "HOLD THE CLUB AT THE TOP" and do the DROp when the arms are "in front of you."

It's the whole trick, you see.

 

[bergsey]

You have to "HOLD THE CLUB AT THE TOP" and do the DROp when the arms are "in front of you."

It's the whole trick, you see.

Not sure i still quite follow

 

[2mongoose]

The only way you can maintain your spine angle through impact is to get your rear end out of the way. If your hip goes left and you turn around your spine you should have plenty of room for your arms.

 

[bergsey]

The only way you can maintain your spine angle through impact is to get your rear end out of the way. If your hip goes left and you turn around your spine you should have plenty of room for your arms.

Yep understand that concept - it's what if you can't get your LEFT hip BACK enough so that your right hip doesn't move too far forwards?

 

[2mongoose]

Bergsey could this be a weight distribution issue? Too much weight out on your toes instead of a more balanced approach? Can you bring your toes off the ground at address or do you need a big shift to accomplish this?

 

[bergsey]

Bergsey could this be a weight distribution issue? Too much weight out on your toes instead of a more balanced approach? Can you bring your toes off the ground at address or do you need a big shift to accomplish this?

Yeah that was the line of thinking i had as well - i get on my toes (right toe in particular) too early in the downswing.

From what i understand that could be a result of too much weight in the heels at address so having to move fowards to early to counterbalance....... i've yet to try / prove whether being more on my toes at address will make any difference

 

[HowardK]

drop

You have to "HOLD THE CLUB AT THE TOP" and do the DROp when the arms are "in front of you."

It's the whole trick, you see.

with respect, no i dont see it........DROP when arms are in front of you?? i thought the arms were the drop.........i just dont understand it someone please explain this to me

thanks
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[pieman]

You have to "HOLD THE CLUB AT THE TOP" and do the DROp when the arms are "in front of you."

i would think that means to let the body pivot first which will bring the arms more to mid body position, or in front of you. then drop the arms and the club onto the ball.

 

[birdie_man]

I don't get that quote by Brian.

"Do the drop WHEN the arms are in front"?

Or...

"Drop the arms in front"?

 

[Leek]

Watch the video again

 

[Medici999]

which video?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Imagine...

You have swung the club to the top.

Most people posing a golf swing stop at the top of the swing with all components having gone their maximum backswing-ward distance.

The the pose the downswing with all components moving downswing-ward together.

Well...

That's just not how it is supposed to work...but that's for another day.

Anyhoo, if you made of these "golf swings that stop at the top of the swing with all components having gone their maximum backswing-ward distance," and you STARTED you downswing pivot, you would slide your bottom a bit and then unwind.

Unless,

You would just start winding...without sliding.

Got it?

If you did the latter (the just start winding...without sliding stuff) while HOLDING THE CLUB AT THE TOP, you hands would stay relatively the same height off the ground, but would start making their own little circle movement OUT AWAY FROM their top-of-the-backswing postion, toward the target line and somewhat toward the ball....ie forward and outward---------but NOT downward, becuase, you see....they are being HELD UP.

Got it?

At any time....you choose....start swinging the arms-hands-club unit (the power package) at the ball.

Unless you are very messsed up (don't worry I can fix anything), you downswing path will be more left, your divot will be more forward, and you angle of decent more steep.

Is this for anyone?

Heck no.

But for those with a certain problem, like the guy I taught yesterday---2 handicapper--is is like GOLD.

 

[lia41985]

You have swung the club to the top.

Most people posing a golf swing stop at the top of the swing with all components having gone their maximum backswing-ward distance.

The the pose the downswing with all components moving downswing-ward together.

Well...

That's just not how it is supposed to work...but that's for another day.

No wonder I got worse doing "mirror work" but got it back by trying to hit balls--hard--and by making the club work like a club.

 

[Bill Miracle]

Yeah, I got stuck...

trying to think about "postions" recently. Went back and watched my "home-made" manzella video (the one I made during our lesson) and had another eureka moment.

I figured out another way to get to what Brian was teaching me but, after I got it, this video and his lessons became even more valuable.

What I get out of the "drop" is this...
When you start the down swing, weight goes left, hip slightly forward then unwind. If you hold the club at the top a sec, the the unwinding takes out the slack and moves the arms from out at your right side to across your chest (or in front of you). This is when I just drop it.

Hope this makes sense. It does to me but I'm not the greatest at explaining feel.

 

[birdie_man]

Ah ok I get it. I see an image of you hitting a fade with driver at Pebble Beach.

BTW with the "your hands would stay relatively the same height off the ground" you must be talking about a flat shoulder turn eh.

Doesn't really work that way with a rotated. (which I've been using) I know you know this though boss.